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The Cambrian problem

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Do those that have faith in evolutionism realize that when the cambrian fossils are examined it is seen that the major phyla and classes of animals suddenly appear fully developed in the cambrian strata with no ancestral linage leading up to the many different phyla and classes.

In other word, you don't see the speciation of animals producing different genera, then the continuation of morphological evolution producing animals that can be divided into different families and then orders.

Instead, as mentioned above, the cambrian geological record contains fossilized animals that are very diverse in the hierarchy of the taxonomical rank and show no sign of a slow divergence from a common ancestor....the mutations are not show to add up.

The theory belonging to evolutionism tells us that all life evolved from a common ancestor. This hypothesis is taught as fact in our schools and even presented from time to time on this forum as the truth. But is it true or just another lie from the camps of evolutionism which have been kept secret?

The question becomes:

Why do the major phyla and classes of animals suddenly appear fully developed in the cambrian fossils with no ancestral linage leading up to the phyla and classes that are found fossilized there as the T.O.E. predict they should?

Instead, a major problem for evolutionism is recognized. The geological record has fossilized animals that are very diverse in the hierarchy of the taxonomical rank and show no sign of a slow divergence from a common ancestor. The animals found in the cambrian strata are already divided into different phyla and classes.

The bedrock, or the basement strata of rocks don't present descent with modification as the theory of evolutionism calls for. In fact, one could claim that it appears to be pretty much up-side-down.
 
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The answer to the Cambrian "problem" is simple. There isn't a problem. At least not one as you are posing it here. 25-40 million years is plenty of time for the evolution of new body plans, particularly given that there was little else filling those design spaces.

There are vastly more interesting questions though, like what combination of circumstances resulted in such comparatively rapid diversification and, why was it so rapid?
 
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There are vastly more interesting questions though, like what combination of circumstances resulted in such comparatively rapid diversification and, why was it so rapid?

Good design and engineering.
or
Stupidity, luck, chance, randomness, blind mutation,
and
no identified driving force of any kind.
What is life trying to do anyway?
 
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Do those that have faith in evolutionism realize that when the cambrian fossils are examined it is seen that the major phyla and classes of animals suddenly appear fully developed in the cambrian strata with no ancestral linage leading up to the many different phyla and classes.

Do you know that you are just repeating another creationist canard. (I am looking for alternatives to "lie" because it gets boring).

Valentine, James W.
2005 “On the Origin of Phyla” University of Chicago Press

Erwin, Douglas H., James W. Valentine
2013 "The Cambrian Explosion: The Construction of Animal Diversity" New York: Roberts and Company Publishers

There are even more recent journal articles published. One I just read last night that was published in late November was on the newly discovered pre-Cambrian cell differentiation. See if you can work through the standard texts before venturing into the "state of the art."
 
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Do those that have faith in evolutionism realize that when the cambrian fossils are examined it is seen that the major phyla and classes of animals suddenly appear fully developed in the cambrian strata with no ancestral linage leading up to the many different phyla and classes.

In other word, you don't see the speciation of animals producing different genera, then the continuation of morphological evolution producing animals that can be divided into different families and then orders.

Instead, as mentioned above, the cambrian geological record contains fossilized animals that are very diverse in the hierarchy of the taxonomical rank and show no sign of a slow divergence from a common ancestor....the mutations are not show to add up.

The theory belonging to evolutionism tells us that all life evolved from a common ancestor. This hypothesis is taught as fact in our schools and even presented from time to time on this forum as the truth. But is it true or just another lie from the camps of evolutionism which have been kept secret?

The question becomes:

Why do the major phyla and classes of animals suddenly appear fully developed in the cambrian fossils with no ancestral linage leading up to the phyla and classes that are found fossilized there as the T.O.E. predict they should?

Instead, a major problem for evolutionism is recognized. The geological record has fossilized animals that are very diverse in the hierarchy of the taxonomical rank and show no sign of a slow divergence from a common ancestor. The animals found in the cambrian strata are already divided into different phyla and classes.

The bedrock, or the basement strata of rocks don't present descent with modification as the theory of evolutionism calls for. In fact, one could claim that it appears to be pretty much up-side-down.
No one but you, thinks there's a problem.
 
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Do those that have faith in evolutionism realize that when the cambrian fossils are examined it is seen that the major phyla and classes of animals suddenly appear fully developed in the cambrian strata with no ancestral linage leading up to the many different phyla and classes.

In other word, you don't see the speciation of animals producing different genera, then the continuation of morphological evolution producing animals that can be divided into different families and then orders.

Instead, as mentioned above, the cambrian geological record contains fossilized animals that are very diverse in the hierarchy of the taxonomical rank and show no sign of a slow divergence from a common ancestor....the mutations are not show to add up.

The theory belonging to evolutionism tells us that all life evolved from a common ancestor. This hypothesis is taught as fact in our schools and even presented from time to time on this forum as the truth. But is it true or just another lie from the camps of evolutionism which have been kept secret?

The question becomes:

Why do the major phyla and classes of animals suddenly appear fully developed in the cambrian fossils with no ancestral linage leading up to the phyla and classes that are found fossilized there as the T.O.E. predict they should?

Instead, a major problem for evolutionism is recognized. The geological record has fossilized animals that are very diverse in the hierarchy of the taxonomical rank and show no sign of a slow divergence from a common ancestor. The animals found in the cambrian strata are already divided into different phyla and classes.

The bedrock, or the basement strata of rocks don't present descent with modification as the theory of evolutionism calls for. In fact, one could claim that it appears to be pretty much up-side-down.
So, can I interpret from your post that you are comfortable with all the life of the early Cambrian being created and then adapting to the life we see today?

I thought you didn't believe in evolution?
 
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Do those that have faith in evolutionism realize that when the cambrian fossils are examined it is seen that the major phyla and classes of animals suddenly appear fully developed in the cambrian strata with no ancestral linage leading up to the many different phyla and classes.

Not all phyla, just most appeared by the end of the Cambrian which lasted some 56 million years. Keep in mind when speaking of "geologic time", 56 million years is a relatively short period of time.

In other word, you don't see the speciation of animals producing different genera, then the continuation of morphological evolution producing animals that can be divided into different families and then orders.rue.

Where did you get that idea? That's not true. Here's a few citations for your education.
http://dev.biologists.org/content/126/5/851.full.pdf
http://icb.oxfordjournals.org/content/43/1/166.full
http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic231258.files/Reading01_Lec23_OEB-113.pdf
http://kops.uni-konstanz.de/bitstre...rRNA_sequence_data.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

Instead, as mentioned above, the cambrian geological record contains fossilized animals that are very diverse in the hierarchy of the taxonomical rank and show no sign of a slow divergence from a common ancestor....the mutations are not show to add up.

If you mean that there are no rabbit fossils in the Cambrian that would be a correct observation, because if evolution were false, we would find fossils of all life forms that ever existed in all layers of geologic strata, which we don't.

The theory belonging to evolutionism tells us that all life evolved from a common ancestor. This hypothesis is taught as fact in our schools and even presented from time to time on this forum as the truth. But is it true or just another lie from the camps of evolutionism which have been kept secret?

I get the idea that you think a common ancestor is a single individual. A common ancestor refers to a population, not an individual.

The question becomes:

Why do the major phyla and classes of animals suddenly appear fully developed in the cambrian fossils with no ancestral linage leading up to the phyla and classes that are found fossilized there as the T.O.E. predict they should?

I don't think you understand what the biological classification PHYLA encompasses.

Instead, a major problem for evolutionism is recognized. The geological record has fossilized animals that are very diverse in the hierarchy of the taxonomical rank and show no sign of a slow divergence from a common ancestor. The animals found in the cambrian strata are already divided into different phyla and classes.

Over a period of 56 million years......and the problem is??????

The bedrock, or the basement strata of rocks don't present descent with modification as the theory of evolutionism calls for.

It most certainly does. Where did you get that from?
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0012160602907141
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v451/n7179/full/nature06510.html
http://www.bioone.org/doi/full/10.2517/prpsj.7.43
http://www.researchgate.net/profile...early_life/links/54ad47f90cf2213c5fe398a6.pdf


In fact, one could claim that it appears to be pretty much up-side-down.

You are making stuff up.
 
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when the cambrian fossils are examined it is seen that the major phyla and classes of animals suddenly appear fully developed in the cambrian strata with no ancestral linage leading up to the many different phyla and classes.
Only some phyla arrive in the Cambrian explosion. Mainly all plants postdate the Cambrian and flowering plants only arose about 140 Mya. Even among animals, not all types appear in the Cambrian. Cnidarians, sponges, and other phyla appeared before the Cambrian. Molecular evidence demonstrates at least six animal phyla are Precambrian. So although several phyla do seem to have diverged in the Early Cambrian or before, most of the phylum-level body plans appear in the fossil record much, much later.

Also, almost none of the animal groups that people think of as groups, like mammals, reptiles, insects, birds, etc, appeared in the Cambrian. And on that note, the fish that were present in the Cambrian was definitely unlike any fish around today.

In other word, you don't see the speciation of animals producing different genera, then the continuation of morphological evolution producing animals that can be divided into different families and then orders.
This is not true, as even mentioned above. There are a handful of valid reasons as to why diversification may have been so sudden. Just to cite one...

"Early complex animals may have been nearly microscopic. Apparent fossil animals smaller than 0.2 mm have been found in the Doushantuo Formation, China, forty to fifty-five million years before the Cambrian (Chen et al. 2004)."

Instead, as mentioned above, the cambrian geological record contains fossilized animals that are very diverse in the hierarchy of the taxonomical rank and show no sign of a slow divergence from a common ancestor.
Again, this is just not true. Genetic evidence displays a branching pattern in the Precambrian. For example, that plants diverged from a common ancestor before fungi diverged from animals.

Why do the major phyla and classes of animals suddenly appear fully developed in the cambrian fossils with no ancestral linage leading up to the phyla and classes that are found fossilized there as the T.O.E. predict they should?
And the answer to that is, the Cambrian explosion does not show all groups appearing together fully formed. Some animal groups appearing over many millions of years in forms greatly differ from the forms we see today.

In fact, what is more interesting, is Precambrian fossils that have been found are only consistent with a branching pattern, and inconsistent with a sudden Cambrian origin like you are suggesting. Such as, bacteria appears way before multicellular organisms, and there are fossils giving evidence of transitionals leading to halkierids and arthropods.

But is it true or just another lie from the camps of evolutionism which have been kept secret?
Now, the real question, considering all things said, is what YOU'RE saying true, or just another lie from the anti evolutionists camp?
 
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Amazing! Something you probably read on a creationist website, or heard from the lips of a professional creationist, turned out to be in contradiction to the facts!

It took a few seconds for a creationist to make up some nonsense about "the Cambrian Explosion" being a stumper for evolution, and it took several posters here some minutes to marshall the facts that provide a refutation.

And this Cambrian nonsense will rear its head over and over again, because the professional creationists have no desire to tell the honest truth, and fix their errors. I just want to thank the people who, like Sisyphus, have to rebut these tired claims over and over again, in the hopes of providing a little valuable education about the truth of the matter.
 
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From a
chemical or mineral or physical or electrical or thermal point of view
what is life trying to do?

The only one of those words that even remotely connects to life surviving is the word physical.
 
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Do those that have faith in evolutionism realize that when the cambrian fossils are examined it is seen that the major phyla and classes of animals suddenly appear fully developed in the cambrian strata with no ancestral linage leading up to the many different phyla and classes.

Then show me a fully developed mammal from the Cambrian.
 
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The answer to the Cambrian "problem" is simple. There isn't a problem. At least no one as you are posing it here. 25-40 million years is plenty of time for the evolution of new body plans, particularly given that there was little else filling those design spaces.

There are vastly more interesting questions though, like what combination of circumstances resulted in such comparatively rapid diversification and, why was it so rapid?

You didn't really answer the question.
Why do the major phyla and classes of animals suddenly appear fully developed in the cambrian fossils with no ancestral linage leading up to the phyla and classes that are found fossilized there as the T.O.E. predict they should?
 
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You didn't really answer the question.
Why do the major phyla and classes of animals suddenly appear fully developed in the cambrian fossils with no ancestral linage leading up to the phyla and classes that are found fossilized there as the T.O.E. predict they should?

They don't appear fully formed. There are no mammals in the Cambrian. There are also no trees, no reptiles, no flowering plants, no grasses, no birds, and no amphibians, just to name a few.
 
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That's not what the first link said...
The explosive appearance near the beginning of the Paleozoic Era of diverse fossils representing disparate animal clades has long been a puzzle to paleontologists and evolutionary biologists.

Please rethinnk your rely.
 
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Why do the major phyla and classes of animals suddenly appear fully developed in the cambrian fossils with no ancestral linage leading up to the phyla and classes that are found fossilized there as the T.O.E. predict they should?

Over a period of 56 million years is hardly sudden. And what do you mean by fully developed? Do you not know the difference between phyla and species?
 
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