Where are the young earthers.....

[dougangel]

I can hardly even find young earth Christians on this site.

That's because there is over whelming evidence for Old Earth Creation
I don't think genesis is literal or scientific. It's of piece of prose, poem. It points out spiritual truths, Can you explain this ?

Day and Night was created on the first day
The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. the third day.
The sun the moon the stars are created on the fourth day

You understand the problem with I hope ?
There is a explanation for this.

 

[Dr GS Hurd]

Is this the same Yahha that says: “Underneath its scientific façade it is a materialist worldview that Darwinists are trying to impose on society.”

His group pretty much copies the Answers In Genesis young earth playbook. They only disagree about their theology.

 

[Isaiah55:6]

That's because there is over whelming evidence for Old Earth Creation
I don't think genesis is literal or scientific. It's of piece of prose, poem. It points out spiritual truths, Can you explain this ?

Day and Night was created on the first day
The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. the third day.
The sun the moon the stars are created on the fourth day

You understand the problem with I hope ?
There is a explanation for this.

Actually maybe there is something you can help me with. One of the things that keep we away from old earth creation is that the sun was created after vegetation. In a literal 6 days creation this isn't a problem. What is the old earth explanation of this?


Also I have a question to anyone who believes Adam and Eve are just an allegory story. Why does the lineage of Jesus go back from Mary all the way to Adam?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Actually maybe there is something you can help me with. One of the things that keep we away from old earth creation is that the sun was created after vegetation. In a literal 6 days creation this isn't a problem. What is the old earth explanation of this?

There is no mention of the SUN anywhere in Genesis chapter one.

 

[joshua 1 9]

That's because there is over whelming evidence for Old Earth Creation
I don't think genesis is literal or scientific. It's of piece of prose, poem. It points out spiritual truths, Can you explain this ?

Day and Night was created on the first day
The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. the third day.
The sun the moon the stars are created on the fourth day

You understand the problem with I hope ?
There is a explanation for this.

How can you have day on the first day without a Sun?

 

[Isaiah55:6]

There is no mention of the SUN anywhere in Genesis chapter one.

Yet it does. Verse 14. God made to great lights. One to rule the day and the other to rule the night. The 4th day and vegetation was created on the 3rd day.

 

[Isaiah55:6]

How can you have day on the first day without a Sun?

Not sure yet, but it must not be the sun if the sun wasn't created yet.

 

[pat34lee]

Regardless of what kind of desolation/reconstruction OEC you subscribe to I think Usher believed in a literal Adam and Eve about 6000 years ago and that all of humanity is descended from them.
This is completely unsupported by evidence. The genetic diversity of humans won't allow for such a recent bottleneck.
(Unless you believe that Adam and Eve were not the only humans alive then?)

Sure it will, and another bottleneck 2000 years later. The problem is that they based
the rate of mutations, not on observation, but on the amount supposedly required
for man to evolve from the nearest ape-like ancestor. That isn't science but wishing.

 

[pat34lee]

You understand the problem with I hope ?
There is a explanation for this.

I agree, that there is an explanation. Man has no idea how to create a universe.
Also, time is cyclical. The creation week also describes the 6000 years from then
to now, and the 1000 years to come.

 

[Larniavc]

The only truth in science is that truth does not exist. O wait, I left out a word. The only absolute truth in science is that absolute truth does not exist. Only you pretty much have to have a PhD before you reach the point that you believe this is true.

Only the Sith deal in absolutes.

 

[dougangel]

Actually maybe there is something you can help me with. One of the things that keep we away from old earth creation is that the sun was created after vegetation. In a literal 6 days creation this isn't a problem. What is the old earth explanation of this?


Also I have a question to anyone who believes Adam and Eve are just an allegory story. Why does the lineage of Jesus go back from Mary all the way to Adam?

ok well the answer is. Hebrew prophecy and story telling techniques. And God has a code in the verse. Some of it is not suppose to be in order.

day 1 Night & day
day 2 water & sky
day 3 ground, sea , vegetation
day 4 sun, moon
day 5 Fish and birds
day 6 land animals and Man
day 7 Sabbath rest

If we jump verses which is an oral tradition in interpreting Hebrew scripture. It's done in Psalms and some of the prophets.

day 1 Night and day goes with day 4 sun and moon
day 2 water and sky goes with day 5 fish and birds
day 3 ground,sea, plants goes with day 6 land animals and man
day 7 Sabbath rest
So the verse is quite clever. It's setting up God's clock as well as the ages and the 7 day week in a code.
I will explain more in later posts.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Not sure yet, but it must not be the sun if the sun wasn't created yet.

The Sun was created on the First day. The earth started out as a snowball and the sun would have melted the ice to turn it into water. Without the sun the water would have been frozen.

 

[joshua 1 9]

ok well the answer is. Hebrew prophecy and story telling techniques. And God has a code in the verse. Some of it is not suppose to be in order.

day 1 Night & day
day 2 water & sky
day 3 ground, sea , vegetation
day 4 sun, moon
day 5 Fish and birds
day 6 land animals and Man
day 7 Sabbath rest

If we jump verses which is an oral tradition in interpreting Hebrew scripture. It's done in Psalms and some of the prophets.

day 1 Night and day goes with day 4 sun and moon
day 2 water and sky goes with day 5 fish and birds
day 3 ground,sea, plants goes with day 6 land animals and man
day 7 Sabbath rest
So the verse is quite clever. It's setting up God's clock as well as the ages and the 7 day week in a code.
I will explain more in later posts.

On day four the work God did was in the firmament. We call that the atmosphere. Science can confirm that changes had to take place in the atmosphere for there to be fish and birds. Actually what was going on was the Great Oxygenation Event, also called the Oxygen Catastrophe, Oxygen Crisis, Oxygen Holocaust, Oxygen Revolution, or Great Oxidation. This sets the stage for day five when we have oxygen based life. Up until this point in time the oxygen was being absorbed by the rocks and geology. Then the earth reached it's saturation point and need to convert the Oxygen back to carbon dioxide and this is when the real cycle of life begins.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I agree, that there is an explanation. Man has no idea how to create a universe.

Really some people can not even cook their own lunch, much less create a whole universe.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Regardless of what kind of desolation/reconstruction OEC you subscribe to I think Usher believed in a literal Adam and Eve about 6000 years ago and that all of humanity is descended from them.

This is completely unsupported by evidence. The genetic diversity of humans won't allow for such a recent bottleneck.

(Unless you believe that Adam and Eve were not the only humans alive then?)

I believe in a literal Adam and Eve that lived 6,000 years ago in the Tigris - Euphrates river valley in what Science calls Ancient Mesopotamia. Now they call it Iraq. Isis is in there now with sledge hammers trying to destroy any evidence that the Hebrews even existed 6,000 years ago. Then people ask: Where is the evidence? It is hidden to keep it from getting destroyed by overzealous Islamics.

 

[dougangel]

On day four the work God did was in the firmament. We call that the atmosphere. Science can confirm that changes had to take place in the atmosphere for there to be fish and birds. Actually what was going on was the Great Oxygenation Event, also called the Oxygen Catastrophe, Oxygen Crisis, Oxygen Holocaust, Oxygen Revolution, or Great Oxidation. This sets the stage for day five when we have oxygen based life. Up until this point in time the oxygen was being absorbed by the rocks and geology. Then the earth reached it's saturation point and need to convert the Oxygen back to carbon dioxide and this is when the real cycle of life begins.

the sun and moon are at stage 1 with night and day if you do the code did you not understand that ?

 

[UCDavis]

Did you guys know that the oldest tree in world is only 5,000 years old? Bristlecone pine in california.

 

[Butterfly99]

Did you guys know that the oldest tree in world is only 5,000 years old? Bristlecone pine in california.

That's just the oldest tree still standing, lol. You do not seriously think the earth is only a few thousand years old do you? Cause for real that's

 

[sfs]

Sure it will, and another bottleneck 2000 years later. The problem is that they based
the rate of mutations, not on observation, but on the amount supposedly required
for man to evolve from the nearest ape-like ancestor. That isn't science but wishing.

Could you show your reasoning, please? What mutation rate would be required to explain human diversity in the case of a tight bottleneck within the last ten thousand years? How does this compare with the observed mutation rate in humans? What would the recombination rate have to be for a tight bottleneck to be consistent with the observed levels of linkage disequilibrium? What would the site frequency spectrum look like for a rapidly increasing population? How does this compare to the observed site frequency spectrum?

 

[Shemjaza]

Sure it will, and another bottleneck 2000 years later. The problem is that they based
the rate of mutations, not on observation, but on the amount supposedly required
for man to evolve from the nearest ape-like ancestor. That isn't science but wishing.

So humans have all our genetic diversity from a single Y chromosome about 4000 years ago.

I'd like to see how you justify that massive mutation rate.

Did you guys know that the oldest tree in world is only 5,000 years old? Bristlecone pine in california.

bit of an issue for a 4000 year old flood.