Senate Repeals Obamacare

[Hank77]

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If health care operates like a business, we shouldn't be surprised when it looks for ways to maximize profits -- even at the expense of peoples' lives and well-being.

Not only that I saw people loose their jobs, even though their health had not interfered with their job performance. The Corp. said that they were investigating the possibly of going to a 'self-insured employer' plan. They hired an Underwriter to investigated that possibility. This gave the Underwriter and the employer access to all the medical records of each employee. After people had been let go, without disclosing any reasonable cause, such as job performance, the company did not go to their own plan and stay on what they already had, but the people who used the plan were eliminated.

https://patientprivacyrights.org/basic-health-privacy-faqs/#InsurerEmployer
Q: Can my insurer or employer get my health records without my permission?
A: Yes.

The Amended HIPAA Privacy Rule gives health plans and self-insured employers broad authority (“regulatory permission”) to get information without consent that is far more extensive than is needed for billing or any other reason related to a specific individual’s health care. Other uses for which health plans and employers are authorized to obtain use and disclose an individual’s health information without consent include:

1. Due diligence in connection with the sale or transfer of assets;
2. Certain types of marketing;
3. Business planning and development;
4. Business management and general administrative activities; and
5. Underwriting, premium rating and other activities relating to the creation, renewal or replacement of a contract of health insurance. Section 164.501

 

[dogs4thewin]

If one has a child with medical needs, especially needs that are a matter of life and death, that parent is willing, whether they Want to or not, get that child on Medicaid, if they cannot afford to cover their care any other way.

I know two people who lost their jobs, thus their ins., and no insurance company would cover them because they had had cancer 10 yrs. before. Pre-existing condition.

not to be rude, but many ( if not most doctors) do not take Medicaid any now so what is the point?

 

[Hank77]

not to be rude, but many ( if not most doctors) do not take Medicaid any now so what is the point?

The point is life and death.
Some of the very best of the best hospitals that have specialists on staff do take medicaid. Believe me, I know. Look up a few, such as St. Jude's and National Jewish, just for two.
All hospitals and clinics that take government funding take medicaid. There are family clinics all over this country, even in very small communities. These clinics have GP's who can refer a patient to one of these specialists in these hospitals. One of my grandsons may not be alive today if this were not the case.

 

[dogs4thewin]

The point is life and death.
Some of the very best of the best hospitals that have specialists on staff do take medicaid. Believe me, I know. Look up a few, such as St. Jude's and National Jewish, just for two.
All hospitals and clinics that take government funding take medicaid. There are family clinics all over this country, even in very small communities. These clinics have GP's who can refer a patient to one of these specialists in these hospitals. One of my grandsons may not be alive today if this were not the case.

I did not say that places did not, but it IS up to the doctors just like any private insurance.

For example, I am on medicaid, so I went to a doctor that accepted it, however upon his retirement they no longer take it. Many of them do not particularly if they are PRIVATE practice; then frankly they could refuse to take anything beyond CASH.

 

[bhsmte]

not to be rude, but many ( if not most doctors) do not take Medicaid any now so what is the point?

Correct, a lot of doctors do not take medicaid, but there a good number that do.

All hospitals take medicaid.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Correct, a lot of doctors do not take medicaid, but there a good number that do.

All hospitals take medicaid.

Wait, I am confused I have heard it said that people can go to any doctor or hospital that accepts MEDICARE and I KNOW that some will take MEDICARE but not MEDICAID.

Also, some doctors that DO will only take a certain number or percentages of Medicaid patients ( which means the more on medicaid the worse it is.

 

[lupusFati]

I'm all for universal health care but I don't think Obamacare accomplishes anything remotely close to that. Especially with the fines if you don't/can't afford insurance.

 

[bhsmte]

Wait, I am confused I have heard it said that people can go to any doctor or hospital that accepts MEDICARE and I KNOW that some will take MEDICARE but not MEDICAID.

Also, some doctors that DO will only take a certain number or percentages of Medicaid patients ( which means the more on medicaid the worse it is.

It depends on the doctor and the strength of their practice. If they have plenty of patients that are non medicaid, they won't take it. If they need additional patients, they will take medicaid. Some docs will take some medicaid patients, simply because they think it is the right thing to do.

All emergency rooms must accept all patients, no matter what the situation is and all non profit hospitals (which most are) take medicaid.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I'm all for universal health care but I don't think Obamacare accomplishes anything remotely close to that. Especially with the fines if you don't/can't afford insurance.

that and I do not support requiring people to have insurance or pay a fine, at all.

 

[bhsmte]

I'm all for universal health care but I don't think Obamacare accomplishes anything remotely close to that. Especially with the fines if you don't/can't afford insurance.

Obama care doesn't scratch the surface of universal coverage.

 

[dogs4thewin]

It depends on the doctor and the strength of their practice. If they have plenty of patients that are non medicaid, they won't take it. If they need additional patients, they will take medicaid. Some docs will take some medicaid patients, simply because they think it is the right thing to do.

All emergency rooms must accept all patients, no matter what the situation is and all non profit hospitals (which most are) take medicaid.

However, the ERS are not meant to be where someone is treated you are either RELEASED from the ER or admitted to hospital. ( usually, of course if you are released it means that the situation was not all that serious.

 

[bhsmte]

However, the ERS are not meant to be where someone is treated you are either RELEASED from the ER or admitted to hospital. ( usually, of course if you are released it means that the situation was not all that serious.

Correct. A lot of people go to the ER for cold symptoms, because they don't have insurance.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Correct. A lot of people go to the ER for cold symptoms, because they don't have insurance.

and the ERS ought to be able to kick such people out because that is NOT what they were meant for and people who NEED help for what they WERE meant for should not have to wait because people are ABUSING it.

 

[bhsmte]

and the ERS ought to be able to kick such people out because that is NOT what they were meant for and people who NEED help for what they WERE meant for should not have to wait because people are ABUSING it.

They can't do that, on the remote chance, the person has a more significant health issue. If they boot them out the door, they could open themselves up to a massive law suit.

 

[dogs4thewin]

They can't do that, on the remote chance, the person has a more significant health issue. If they boot them out the door, they could open themselves up to a massive law suit.

I did not say they could I said that they ought to be ABLE too tell them come back when there is a REASON for it or stay here get arrested and get help THAT way. Which of course would come with a record.

 

[Willtor]

I did not say they could I said that they ought to be ABLE too tell them come back when there is a REASON for it or stay here get arrested and get help THAT way. Which of course would come with a record.

You are probably the least compassionate person on this forum.

 

[dogs4thewin]

You are probably the least compassionate person on this forum.

I support PERSONALLY helping people; I support neither REQUIRING people to help, nor abuse of systems.

 

[lupusFati]

Obama care doesn't scratch the surface of universal coverage.

I know. Some people think it does though. It doesn't.

 

[Willtor]

I support PERSONALLY helping people; I support neither REQUIRING people to help, nor abuse of systems.

You live in fear that someone, somewhere might be getting something that he or she doesn't deserve, and you look for ways to ensure it doesn't happen -- even if it might hurt people who need it.

 

[dogs4thewin]

You live in fear that someone, somewhere might be getting something that he or she doesn't deserve, and you look for ways to ensure it doesn't happen -- even if it might hurt people who need it.

What is wrong with expecting people to either do it the right way or expect to pay for it?