Another shooting - San Bernadino California.

[Armoured]

You have to realize a good number of our fellow posters are not Americans. They fear guns because they never grew up around them. Not saying that in a snarky manner. I grew up in a gun control city in the North East. My family who still lives there are scared to pick up a gun like it is going to turn on them. I advise them not to get one and if they do they take the NRA course and get to the range with someone who knows how to use firearms.

I'm sure some posting here don't know the difference between bolt action, lever and semi weapons.

*raises hand* some non Americans grew up around guns.

 

[redleghunter]

An Islamist is someone attempting to use Islam as a political ideology. We don't know that this is what was going on here. All we know is that he was a fairly religious Muslim. No Islamists group thus far as taken responsibility for the act, as they normally do. I wanted to say this last night, but thought it wise not to voice my suspicions just yet. I have a feeling there were some people at his workplace that were giving him a bad time over his religion, so he decided to take revenge. That doesn't make what he did any less of an act of terrorism, but it is unclear that he did so for political reasons which is the definition of an Islamist.

Islam is a political ideology.

Islam is faith, family, culture, jurisprudence and political. The Quran and Hadiths prescribe such.

Very similar to the Mosaic theocracy in the Torah.

 

[redleghunter]

If America hadn't spent their billions of $'s attacking, shooting and jailing these sick drug people and instead spent it on on their rehabilitation and welfare they would have a much happier and healthy America. A lot of them have been made emotional cripples by their home-lives and treatment from the law

I'm sorry what are you talking about? The war on drugs?

This attack was not Narco terrorism. Which is the biggest killer in the US, Mexico and Latin America.

 

[redleghunter]

Also, what about all the OTHER addicts? there are all kinds of addictions one of the most common are MEDICAL drug addicts - taking drugs for years. My sister died one of these and had the same illnesses that I inherited. I've had several serious ones PLUS over 10 operations and childhood abuse yet I will not allow the doctors to give me drugs and make me a drug addict. Even with my operations I rarely took painkillers as it was on my records - 'nothing for pain'. This is the only reason I am still around (at 81) unlike my family with illnesses who left early.

Good for you on not taking those prescription opiates.

Evil stuff.

Good news is the US is clamping down on prescription pain meds. I too just had major surgery. When I left the hospital I took over the counter Tylenol for a few days.

Prayer and meditation does wonders.

I'm with you on this one.

Nurse friend said only certain doctors can prescribe pain meds now. Loads of controls now.

 

[Armoured]

This attack was not Narco terrorism. Which is the biggest killer in the US, Mexico and Latin America.

Pretty sure that would be "heart disease", actually.

 

[malvina]

I'm sorry what are you talking about? The war on drugs?

This attack was not Narco terrorism. Which is the biggest killer in the US, Mexico and Latin America.

I'm talking about USA's war on drugs here. And the Mexicans and Latins are still Americans! they live there. Where would be be in Australia if we tried to isolate ourselves from our migrant population? They are ALL Australians to us and maybe that's another reason you have so much aggression where (with Republicans mainly) they isolate themselves from other migrants. I think you were all migrants originally like as in OZ

 

[redleghunter]

I feel we have already lost when we have chosen to ignore history.

Indeed. Muhammad was not really a war lord. He was a conqueror.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Muhammad+conquers+Medina

 

[redleghunter]

Yes, that's the current spin.

They were simply a pair of Islamists, in touch with a network of many other known Islamists, preparing for a big terrorist attack ... but the husband was angered during the Christmas party and expended all his terrorist vices prematurely rather than waiting for the bigger event.

Even if true, it doesn't make the couple any less Islamist.

A distinction without much meaning. Even if this particular event wasn't technically "Islamist", and that remains to be proven, the perpetrators clearly were Islamists ... who had been preparing for an Islamist attack with an arsenal of illegal ordnance. Calling what this couple did "not Islamist" when the perpetrators were clearly Islamists is logically inconsistent.

Amazing isn't. In Muslim countries homosexuals are murdered, women are oppressed and there are few civil rights of any. Yet I see here amazing apologists for Jihadists.

 

[Cerberus~Infinite]

and your solution? shoot cops? Thats a automatic death sentence in most states, what you going to do with your guns? Over throw the goverment if it goes bad? WHats even your machine guns going to do against tanks, helicopters and drones?

There was something I heard and it really makes a good point about the delusion many americans have, it was I think a paris cop talking about what his response was if he came into many of these gun nuts wet dream.

He goes into where he knows there is a shooting, he sees two people firing their guns at each other, he kills them both, he's not going to take time and risk innocent lives figuring out who was the islamic terrorist or disgruntled employee and whose the good guy with a gun, he's going to put them both down, because it's not YOUR job to fight these guys, it might be nice if that could happen, but reality is your more likly to kill yourself and others even trying.

And that's why we won Vietnam, because there puny forces couldn't stand our superior firepower.

 

[redleghunter]

I was surprised to learn on the news last night that the government has a ban on research funding on gun violence. That seems to be a little nuts to me, because they fund research for everything else under the sun.

Have not heard that one. I know the FBI keeps stats and publishes quite often through the justice dept.

Two things at work here. Some political think tank wants more money for research. Second the data looks bad for the party in power.

 

[loveofourlord]

And that's why we won Vietnam, because there puny forces couldn't stand our superior firepower.

If you think a tyranical american goverment would end anything remotly like vietnam good luck, and it's not like you can just hold out and wait for them to leave.

 

[redleghunter]

Given his sister was suspended for a bomb threat and after allegedly making one to another student, and this clock looked for all intents and purposes like a bomb and not a clock, as the school presumed, one could project, since that's happening here already, that the boy wanted to create something that looked like a bomb so as to claim discrimination and sue the district later.
Which his family is doing and for 15 million dollars. Meanwhile, clock boy and his family accepted an invitation to move to Qatar where Sharia is the law of the land. And was welcomed by its Emir . Who has a bad reputation when it comes to Darfur.
The reports now are Ahmed's family want to return to Texas.


As for Muslim discrimination charge, one would think people are saying if something looks suspicious, like in the case of this clock that looks like a case bomb, it should be ignored if the one carrying it appears to be Muslim. This when the charge is, this boy was arrested solely because he is Muslim first, and happened to have a little case that looked like a bomb.

If a boy's brother had threatened to kill his classmates when he was a senior in high school, and that boy was suspended and it turned out it was a hoax, if his little brother who was a freshman brought a toy gun that looks just like a 9MM , without the orange safety tip that identifies it as a toy, should that little boy be approached with caution?


Meanwhile, Amena Jamali would hopefully be called as a witness to refute the discrimination charge clock boy's family is bringing against the school. While the record and the clock itself is evidence in itself that a school should always use caution when something appears suspect. And not abandon their responsibilities to all the children in the school just because what looks suspect happens to be in the custody of a Muslim.

I'm glad the school was cautious. Feelings getting hurt is much better than endangering other kids.

The parents should have known better.

 

[smaneck]

You have a good sense for geo political matters.

I knew the Shah remained in power only because the US was propping him up. When Carter started pushing for human rights, I figured he was not going to do that anymore and therefore the Shah would fall. As for Cardinal Ratzinger, I sort of put two and two together after a long talk with Hans Kung back when I was a graduate student.

 

[Cerberus~Infinite]

If you think a tyranical american goverment would end anything remotly like vietnam good luck, and it's not like you can just hold out and wait for them to leave.

Oh no, but it might not be the total sweep everyone predicts. It all depends on a high number of variables.

 

[redleghunter]

They obviously know it would be a waste of money it wouldn't make one bit of difference to the fanatics

The US FBI is already funded to do so.

There are billions wasted on studies in the US. One study costing $3M US studied obesity in female homosexuals.

The US government spends like drunken sailors on a lot of unnecessary things.

 

[smaneck]

I'm glad the school was cautious. Feelings getting hurt is much better than endangering other kids.

The parents should have known better.

You are misreading the situation. In the first place there is absolutely no evidence Ahmad's sister ever made a bomb threat. The reason we even know about this is that after her brother was arrested she mentioned how she had been suspended on the basis of a false accusation to that effect when she was in Middle School. At the time her English was good enough for her to defend herself. Being cautious is one thing, Punishing a girl on the basis of another girl's unsubstantiated testimony is an entirely different as it arresting a boy and then suspending him after you know his pencil box doesn't have a bomb in it is something else entirely.

 

[redleghunter]

Umm...you were the one declaring them to be "Islamists" without any evidence within 12 hours of the event. To date, the FBI has yet to release any information to confirm your assertion.

Armed to the teeth and a recent heated exchange with a Messianic Jew.

 

[redleghunter]

Noting that most major news networks have long reported that the perpetrators were radicalized ... and repeatedly in contact with numerous radical Islamists on the FBI's watch list.

And there's now this:

Wow this was such a hard puzzle to solve!

 

[redleghunter]

LOL. I'm a professional historian of the Middle East. What's your credentials in this area? You read it in a hate blog?

Muhammad did not use military force in his campaigns? Or was it Gabriel doing it for him?

 

[AceHero]

I was surprised to learn on the news last night that the government has a ban on research funding on gun violence. That seems to be a little nuts to me, because they fund research for everything else under the sun.

Yes, but the NRA doesn't want us to know the truth about this.

Though even the Republican legislator largely responsible for that law is beginning to regret it:

The group cited a letter released by former Rep. Jay Dickey of Arkansas, who authored an amendment that restricted federal funding for research into gun violence and its effects on public health. He now regrets that effort.

"Research could have been continued on gun violence without infringing on the rights of gun owners," wrote Dickey, who has said he only wanted to ensure that no dollars went to gun control advocacy. "Somehow or someway we should slowly but methodically fund such research until a solution is reached. Doing nothing is no longer an acceptable solution."

Hours before San Bernardino shooting, doctors urged Congress to lift funding ban on gun violence research