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keith99
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I got as far in the video as him saying they can't exist any way except instant formation of the granite. How can we know the properties of Po218 if it only exists for a few minutes?
Oh yea, because it is a decay product of something else! Oops, we are now to scores of ways that Po218 could end up in a granite well after formation.
He may fool foolish Christians (not all, only the foolish ones) who desperately want to think there is evidence of instant creation (not all again, not all Christians and actually not even a sizable minority). Just one more case of finding something not explained in gruesome detail and jumping to a desired conclusion.
And the result will not be desirable for the vast majority of Christians as it has been debunked and now serves only to be one more instance of Christians grasping at straws.
Oh yea, because it is a decay product of something else! Oops, we are now to scores of ways that Po218 could end up in a granite well after formation.
He may fool foolish Christians (not all, only the foolish ones) who desperately want to think there is evidence of instant creation (not all again, not all Christians and actually not even a sizable minority). Just one more case of finding something not explained in gruesome detail and jumping to a desired conclusion.
And the result will not be desirable for the vast majority of Christians as it has been debunked and now serves only to be one more instance of Christians grasping at straws.
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Evidence trumps reason and logic. That's the way it goes in the sciences. You cant label abstract concepts of "logic and reason" as "superior science", as the scientific method includes reason, logic AND evidence. Pure reason might have the sun orbiting the earth, or the earth orbiting the sun. Without supporting evidence, each is an equally valid stance.
Similarly, a coherent and internally consistent logical syllogism is neither proof or evidence. You need to have evidence that the initial premises are true before anyone will (or should) accept your conclusions.
Similarly, if you're looking to overturn an established body of thought in the sciences, you require physical evidence in just about every field (except possibly pure mathematics, but even there, proofs are required to show rigor).
There is a reason why science has replaced philosophy as our best tool for investigating the natural world.
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Nice rant. Seems like you've been hanging around with the pre-suppositional apologetics crowd.
Logic and reason are abstract concepts. Ones we use to describe the universe. Without thinking minds to discern them, would they still exist?
Regrading the bolded bit, you might want to look into quantum mechanics and pure mathematics. Both of these fields contain paradoxes that are both true AND illogical. So knowledge does not need to be logical to be true.
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keith99
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What the video is actually attacking is the idea that the mineral crystals in granite formed slowly. The sole evidence presented is Polonium halos, microscopic images formed by radioactive decay. The claim is the Po218 decayed to create them (probably true) and that therefore the crystals had to from very quickly because the half life of Polonium218 is so short. (the matter of minutes). There are lots of problems with this reasoning.
Doh, the biggest one just hit me in the face. That Po218 has a half life on minutes does not mean it is all gone in minutes. If I'm understanding correctly each halo is because of decay of a single atom, that would allow these to exist even from Po218 that was there when the melt started to cool even if it was weeks ago, perhaps longer. But the presenter treats it as if crystallization had to be nearly instantaneous.
IF he comes up with a way to get large crystals in granites quickly he might have something. Probable Nobel prize, but that would not matter, rapid creation of large crystalline structures would have some pretty interesting and lucrative industrial applications.
Bottom line is he is saying here is one small thing that is not fully explained, throw out existing theory and replace it with something that explains this one thing even though it flies in the face of 100 times as much other evidence.
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