CHRISTIAN DAYCARE WORKERS FIRED FOR REFUSING TO CALL A LITTLE GIRL A BOY

[Jahrooshshalom]

I'd love to hear what this is based on.

Hi again Kristen.
I don't know about this particular reporting but perhaps that there are cases like that is worth mentioning anyway. And no, this site is serious not satire.
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HOW CAN I CONVINCE MY 3-YEAR-OLD THEY’RE TRANSGENDER? – GO ASK JANE
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[bhsmte]

I apologize for bringing it up. I pushed the limits of going off topic too much with my example.

On what basis should there be concern? Morally, I don't agree with people changing their gender, but that's not the same thing as neglect.

One last time.

I AM NOT ASSUMING NEGLECT. I am saying there are signs of concern, that require further investigation.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Are you about to claim the 14th Amendment guarantees you respect? Please. However what you are defending has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with respect. It has to do with forcing a belief wrapped in an agenda upon those who want nothing of it.

Well, Sistrin, part of being an adult means dealing with things you don't want to.

 

[Crowns&Laurels]

#stillawaitingadefinitionofagenda

agenda- a plan or goal that guides someone's behavior and that is often kept secret

 

[Cute Tink]

I said if the doctor did not feel the therapist was qualified to assess the child, based on their credentials. Which, besides your instance otherwise, is something a primary care physician is fully qualified to assess.

If the child has been evaluated by a therapist trained in dealing with children and this type of situation, the doctor would rely on those findings.

You have a lot of faith in doctors that I'm not going to just assume. I've heard far too many stories of doctors who don't understand gender dysphoria being very untrustworthy for me to yield the authority to throw out a non-medical diagnosis that they probably (based on medical education standards) don't understand on a subjective and arbitrary basis.

 

[Cute Tink]

agenda- a plan or goal that guides someone's behavior and that is often kept secret

Source? I can't find that definition.

Nor do I see a definition of the transgender agenda...

 

[Sammy-San]

One last time.

I AM NOT ASSUMING NEGLECT. I am saying there are signs of concern, that require further investigation.

Concern for what? That isn't the same thing as neglect.

 

[bhsmte]

You have a lot of faith in doctors that I'm not going to just assume. I've heard far too many stories of doctors who don't understand gender dysphoria being very untrustworthy for me to yield the authority to throw out a non-medical diagnosis that they probably (based on medical education standards) don't understand on a subjective and arbitrary basis.

I am basing it on my 20+ years in healthcare and being around doctors on a day to day basis and what they deal with in matters such as this.

I will say this one more time, any physician who would be presented with this situation, would at the very least, first ask to have a psychological evaluation done and if denied, would compel one to be done.

You may not like it, but it is reality and IMO, the right thing to do, to assure the child is ok.

 

[bhsmte]

Concern for what? That isn't the same thing as neglect.

Go back and read my posts, I am not going to repeat the same thing over and over again.

 

[Cute Tink]

Hi again Kristen.
I don't know about this particular reporting but perhaps that there are cases like that is worth mentioning anyway. And no, this site is serious not satire.
EVERYWOMAN WEEKLY
HOW CAN I CONVINCE MY 3-YEAR-OLD THEY’RE TRANSGENDER? – GO ASK JANE
SEPTEMBER 9, 2015

The site may be serious, but I wonder about the letter. There are a number of problematic signs presented there.

 

[Sistrin]

It's amazing how many times I reference the 14th Amendment in this topic.

The American left has cited the 14th Amendment so many times to support whatever equality horror story they are promoting it has earned the nickname "the Miracle Amendment." Apparently it justifies everything and trumps the rights acknowledged in the 1st Amendment.

I'm still waiting for a definition of this big, scary agenda everyone is talking about.

It has been given to you, you apparently ignored it.

They are the child's parents, not "parents".

Both of those guys are her biological father?

There is no indication that this is being forced on the child.

It is cited in the OP article. Quote:

"Kirksey says sometimes the little girl refers to herself as a little boy, and sometimes she tells the other children to not call her a boy or to refer to her by her masculine name."

Most children can identify their gender and that of others by age 4.

What evidence can you offer this particular girl either knows or understands the issue?

 

[Cute Tink]

I am basing it on my 20+ years in healthcare and being around doctors on a day to day basis and what they deal with in matters such as this.

I will say this one more time, any physician who would be presented with this situation, would at the very least, first ask to have a psychological evaluation done and if denied, would compel one to be done.

You may not like it, but it is reality and IMO, the right thing to do, to assure the child is ok.

I agree with having a psychological evaluation done. I don't agree with other parts of your position, based on the reasons given.

 

[Tallguy88]

Christians are supposed to be resilient, spiritually strong people, and yet some are losing their jobs over not wanting to refer to someone as they identify themselves?
One would think these people are being demanded to call another God.
This is false martyrdom.

We shouldn't enable people in their sin. Calling them the opposite sex from what they are is perpetuating a lie. Obviously with a child this young, the sin is the parents', not the child's.

 

[bhsmte]

I agree with having a psychological evaluation done. I don't agree with other parts of your position, based on the reasons given.

The independent psyche eval, is the core of my position. One should clearly be done in this situation.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

That's not the topic. The topic is potentially the opposite, as well as teachers being fired for not referring to a girl as a boy, even though the girl didn't always want to be called a boy.

Some one claimed something, that I never heard about. I assume they got confused with another story. Since they didn't link a story. Either way, when parents force a child to be something they ere not. It can cause a teen to kill themselves. Or a parent and friends can be totally understanding and still a suicide. Transgender have way to much to deal with.

 

[Crowns&Laurels]

We shouldn't enable people in their sin. Calling them the opposite sex from what they are is perpetuating a lie. Obviously with a child this young, the sin is the parents', not the child's.

I have no delusion that there isn't an agenda going on, it's just that it's hard to imagine losing a job over something like that especially in this economy. If people are willing to disturb their own livelihood over something that has no impact on what they are opposed to, then that is vanity incarnate- something that should not be in Christianity.

 

[Cute Tink]

The American left has cited the 14th Amendment so many times to support whatever equality horror story they are promoting it has earned the nickname "the Miracle Amendment." Apparently it justifies everything and trumps the rights acknowledged in the 1st Amendment.

I didn't realize I was "the American left"

It has been given to you, you apparently ignored it.

Making up definitions as you go is not authoritative.

Both of those guys are her biological father?

Adoptive parents are not parents. Got it. I disagree.

It is cited in the OP article. Quote:

"Kirksey says sometimes the little girl refers to herself as a little boy, and sometimes she tells the other children to not call her a boy or to refer to her by her masculine name."

I've addressed that several times. It is not evidence that it's being forced on her.

What evidence can you offer this particular girl either knows or understands the issue?

Why would I doubt that this child can? I see no indication in the article that the child is suffers from a developmental disability.

 

[Cute Tink]

We shouldn't enable people in their sin. Calling them the opposite sex from what they are is perpetuating a lie. Obviously with a child this young, the sin is the parents', not the child's.

The medical community officially disagrees. Given that they have studied this issue and I can literally see their information if I choose to, I'm going to side with them over some declaration of sin.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

What needs to be assessed is who, if any was manipulating the situation. The Parents or the Child care workers. I've seen both side use Children to promote an agenda and I think the child is the ultimate looser and the adults the one's with the issue.

Normal, when dealing with humanity is nothing more than an arbitrary term with a proximity range of relevancy equal to one's own nostrils. Beyond that it puts on the clothing of a tyrant.

This little girls needs to be evaluated at leisure with no prompting by anybody by unbiased professionals who are trained to deal with this stuff, and I do mean unbiased professionals who are trained to deal with this stuff. No Priest or idealistic champion of the left or right, because the health, welfare and the sanity of this child is what is important, not some agenda that needs a martyr for a cause.

If you want to sacrifice someone for a cause volunteer yourself and not an innocent child who may or may not has honestly decided that she is a male, inside.

The one thing that really [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ed me off is the inclusion of the fact that her parents were two guys as if the mere fact of that was relevant to anything. Are all gay couples trying to persuade the children beneath them to be something they aren't?

My daughter is bi and has 3 kids. Should I be concerned that my granddaughter who is a girly girl to the max would would come out of her room one day dressed as a dock worker and swearing like a drunken sailor?

 

[Cute Tink]

The independent psyche eval, is the core of my position. One should clearly be done in this situation.

If the child has already been diagnosed, then what basis is there to require another?