CHRISTIAN DAYCARE WORKERS FIRED FOR REFUSING TO CALL A LITTLE GIRL A BOY

[Tallguy88]

CHRISTIAN DAYCARE WORKERS FIRED FOR REFUSING TO CALL A LITTLE GIRL A BOY

HOUSTON, Texas — Two daycare workers have been fired for refusing to go along with the center’s transgender agenda. Madeline Kirksey, one of the workers who is an author of a Christian book, says her religious liberty rights have been violated. The two were fired after refusing to call a little girl a boy.

The two male parents of a six-year-old little girl told employees at the school to refer to their daughter as a boy, and to call her by a new masculine name. The little girl’s hair had also been cut like a boy’s.

Kirksey told Breitbart Texas in an interview, that the problem was not so much with the transgender issue as it was with telling young children that the little girl was a boy when she was not, and with calling her “John” (not the name given) when that was not her name.

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The fired worker notified Child Protective Services that the little girl was being told that she is now a little boy. She believes that it is up to professionals to determine if the little girl is just confused, or if the new gender is being forced upon the little girl.

Kirksey says sometimes the little girl refers to herself as a little boy, and sometimes she tells the other children to not call her a boy or to refer to her by her masculine name.

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015...e-worker-fired-refusing-call-little-girl-boy/

 

[Tallguy88]

I'm glad they called CPS. Sounds like these gay parents are trying to force this little girl to be trans against her will.

 

[bhsmte]

I'm glad they called CPS. Sounds like these gay parents are trying to force this little girl to be trans against her will.

Worth investigating, if the parents are force feeding this kid and if so, would cause some serious emotional harm.

I wonder if these workers took these same concerns to their employer?

 

[Tallguy88]

Worth investigating, if the parents are force feeding this kid and if so, would cause some serious emotional harm.

I wonder if these workers took these same concerns to their employer?

There's a famous case where parents tried to force a normal kid to be trans. It never stuck and he eventually killed himself. I can't remember the case unfortunately.

 

[bhsmte]

There's a famous case where parents tried to force a normal kid to be trans. It never stuck and he eventually killed himself. I can't remember the case unfortunately.

Well, kids can't consent to being transgender, so if parents are forcing this upon them, they are causing serious damage and should not be parents.

 

[iluvatar5150]

From the article:

Kirksey told Breitbart Texas in an interview, that the problem was not so much with the transgender issue as it was with telling young children that the little girl was a boy when she was not, and with calling her “John” (not the name given) when that was not her name.

Lol, what?

"The problem isn't so much the water issue as it is with people drowning and everything getting wet."

I'm glad they called CPS. Sounds like these gay parents are trying to force this little girl to be trans against her will.

On what do you base that claim?

 

[Cute Tink]

I'm glad they called CPS. Sounds like these gay parents are trying to force this little girl to be trans against her will.

I'd love to hear what this is based on.

There's a famous case where parents tried to force a normal kid to be trans. It never stuck and he eventually killed himself. I can't remember the case unfortunately.

Are you thinking of the case of David Reimer? If so, he was not "forced to be trans", he was the victim of a botched circumcision and the parents and the doctor made the poor decision to attempt to raise him as a girl, which failed. This is a rather effective case that demonstrates you cannot actually do what you are claiming the parents are doing in this case.

 

[Cute Tink]

From the OP:

Two daycare workers have been fired for refusing to go along with the center’s transgender agenda. Madeline Kirksey, one of the workers who is an author of a Christian book, says her religious liberty rights have been violated. The two were fired after refusing to call a little girl a boy.

The transgender agenda...

There is no religious right to force your beliefs on the child.

 

[Crowns&Laurels]

Maybe I'm undergoing a minor epiphany, or maybe things are just getting ridiculous, but..
how exactly is one's religious liberties infringed in calling a girl a boy?

I believe there is a transgender agenda, for reasons such as, but not limited to, IT BEING COMPLETELY OBVIOUS, but it doesn't do good to reach and that's what is going on with this incident.

 

[bhsmte]

I'd love to hear what this is based on.



Are you thinking of the case of David Reimer? If so, he was not "forced to be trans", he was the victim of a botched circumcision and the parents and the doctor made the poor decision to attempt to raise him as a girl, which failed. This is a rather effective case that demonstrates you cannot actually do what you are claiming the parents are doing in this case.

I can guarantee you, if two male parents had their young child visit a doctor for a checkup and they insisted the doctor call a girl a boy, red flags would come up and the doctor would be obliged to contact CPS.

Now, an investigation may show the child is not being damaged, but whenever a child is involved in something of his nature, it would raise questions.

 

[Nithavela]

This transgender thing is getting out of hand.

Not the topic itself, the discussions on this board. What is the, the gay discussion surrogate?

 

[Cute Tink]

I can guarantee you, if two male parents had their young child visit a doctor for a checkup and they insisted the doctor call a girl a boy, red flags would come up and the doctor would be obliged to contact CPS.

It doesn't just happen to gay parents, but the CPS case falls apart when you hand them the diagnosis from a therapist who is treating the child. If they haven't done that yet, they should to keep away the accusations.

However, even lacking the diagnosis, to open with the assumption that the child is being abused without anything further is absurd. This is hardly unheard of and it is not, in and of itself, evidence of abuse.

 

[bhsmte]

It doesn't just happen to gay parents, but the CPS case falls apart when you hand them the diagnosis from a therapist who is treating the child. If they haven't done that yet, they should to keep away the accusations.

However, even lacking the diagnosis, to open with the assumption that the child is being abused without anything further is absurd. This is hardly unheard of and it is not, in and of itself, evidence of abuse.

I am not saying you assume the child is being abused, I am saying it raises red flags, for two parents, insisting their young girl be called a boy.

I have been in healthcare for 20 years and if a healthcare professional was presented with this type of situation, they would be compelled to investigate, or prompt an investigation, to determine the specifics and that would include the child talking with an independent psychologist.

 

[High Fidelity]

It doesn't just happen to gay parents, but the CPS case falls apart when you hand them the diagnosis from a therapist who is treating the child. If they haven't done that yet, they should to keep away the accusations.

However, even lacking the diagnosis, to open with the assumption that the child is being abused without anything further is absurd. This is hardly unheard of and it is not, in and of itself, evidence of abuse.

Reminds me of a post I saw by a woman about her son. He was like, 6 or 7 and ever since Frozen insisted on dressing like a princess etc and her and her husband didn't stop it and now the kid thinks it's normal.

At what point do we argue it's 'genetic' or just accept the fact that the child underwent an experience that most parents would correct, wasn't challenged and now considers it normal, especially so considering it was silently or perhaps not-so-silently approved by the parents?

 

[Tallguy88]

I'd love to hear what this is based on.

The article:

"The fired worker notified Child Protective Services that the little girl was being told that she is now a little boy. She believes that it is up to professionals to determine if the little girl is just confused, or if the new gender is being forced upon the little girl.

Kirksey says sometimes the little girl refers to herself as a little boy, and sometimes she tells the other children to not call her a boy or to refer to her by her masculine name."

Are you thinking of the case of David Reimer? If so, he was not "forced to be trans", he was the victim of a botched circumcision and the parents and the doctor made the poor decision to attempt to raise him as a girl, which failed. This is a rather effective case that demonstrates you cannot actually do what you are claiming the parents are doing in this case.

That's the case, thanks.

What am I claiming the parents are doing? It sounds like there's some questions about whether the parents are forcing this boy to be a girl, and not a legit case of trans. So I hope CPS gets involved to straighten the situation out.

 

[Cute Tink]

I am not saying you assume the child is being abused, I am saying it raises red flags, for two parents, insisting their young girl be called a boy.

I have been in healthcare for 20 years and if a healthcare professional was presented with this type of situation, they would be compelled to investigate, or prompt an investigation, to determine the specifics and that would include the child talking with an independent psychologist.

I guess I just don't see why, in the absence of other evidence, the child being identified as trans constitutes a red flag. Excuse the parents from the room and talk to the kid alone if you have concerns.

Reminds me of a post I saw by a woman about her son. He was like, 6 or 7 and ever since Frozen insisted on dressing like a princess etc and her and her husband didn't stop it and now the kid thinks it's normal.

At what point do we argue it's 'genetic' or just accept the fact that the child underwent an experience that most parents would correct, wasn't challenged and now considers it normal, especially so considering it was silently or perhaps not-so-silently approved by the parents?

What, exactly, is "wrong" about a boy playing dress up?

The article:

"The fired worker notified Child Protective Services that the little girl was being told that she is now a little boy. She believes that it is up to professionals to determine if the little girl is just confused, or if the new gender is being forced upon the little girl.

Kirksey says sometimes the little girl refers to herself as a little boy, and sometimes she tells the other children to not call her a boy or to refer to her by her masculine name."

If anything, that shows the child is experiencing more of a fluidity than having a solid trans identity. That is not, I think, justification for "Sounds like these gay parents are trying to force this little girl to be trans against her will." They very well could be getting told at home by the child that he prefers to be called male and by a certain name and having a more fluid experience among friends.

What am I claiming the parents are doing? It sounds like there's some questions about whether the parents are forcing this boy to be a girl, and not a legit case of trans. So I hope CPS gets involved to straighten the situation out.

Evidence of gender fluidity is not evidence of the parents forcing anything on the child.


To all, my main issue is the heavy handedness of CPS in which they tend to remove children suddenly from homes where the parents are trying their best to respect their child's identity before any real investigation happens which isn't healthy for the child either. It has gotten to the point where there is a group with instructions on preparing a binder to present to CPS when they get call after call about a child who consistently does present as trans. I've seen enough of it.

The jump to the implications that there is forcing going on to be investigated also concerns me, especially since the article evidence is all but nonexistent.

 

[High Fidelity]

What, exactly, is "wrong" about a boy playing dress up?

When they are insisting on it constantly and wanting to 'be a Princess', which, might I add, he was the Princess at his birthday party, that's quite a bit beyond what many would consider normal.

 

[bhsmte]

I guess I just don't see why, in the absence of other evidence, the child being identified as trans constitutes a red flag. Excuse the parents from the room and talk to the kid alone if you have concerns.



What, exactly, is "wrong" about a boy playing dress up?



If anything, that shows the child is experiencing more of a fluidity than having a solid trans identity. That is not, I think, justification for "Sounds like these gay parents are trying to force this little girl to be trans against her will." They very well could be getting told at home by the child that he prefers to be called male and by a certain name and having a more fluid experience among friends.



Evidence of gender fluidity is not evidence of the parents forcing anything on the child.


To all, my main issue is the heavy handedness of CPS in which they tend to remove children suddenly from homes where the parents are trying their best to respect their child's identity before any real investigation happens which isn't healthy for the child either. It has gotten to the point where there is a group with instructions on preparing a binder to present to CPS when they get call after call about a child who consistently does present as trans. I've seen enough of it.

The jump to the implications that there is forcing going on to be investigated also concerns me, especially since the article evidence is all but nonexistent.

If it was a physician visit, more than likely the physician would want to talk with the child alone. With that said, the type of psychological investigation required to peel the layers back, would be beyond their training and capabilities.

And yes, if a physician was presented with this situation, they would most likely insist on a psychological investigation, out of potential concern for the child.

 

[Cute Tink]

When they are insisting on it constantly and wanting to 'be a Princess', which, might I add, he was the Princess at his birthday party, that's quite a bit beyond what many would consider normal.

I don't consider "normal" to be all that wonderful a goal. I prefer my children to be who they are instead of what others expect of them.

 

[High Fidelity]

I don't consider "normal" to be all that wonderful a goal. I prefer my children to be who they are instead of what others expect of them.

Let's assume other 'abnormal' behaviour that could arise that, uncorrected, would be frowned upon by others.

Would you take fault with your child lashing out at others or would that just be them being them?