The pyramids were grain silos! More wisdom from Ben carson.

[Goonie]

Ben Carson reaffirms his belief that the pyramids were built as grain silos by Joseph.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...pyramids-were-grain-stores-not-pharoahs-tombs

 

[JackRT]

And he is actually a candidate for president? Astonishing!

Poe's law (religious fundamentalism) — "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humour, it is impossible to create a parody of fundamentalism that someone won't mistake for the real thing." --- named after Nathan Poe who formulated it on christianforums.com in 2005.

 

[essentialsaltes]

He's evidently a competent surgeon. But his ignorance about the pyramids is just astonishing. To store grain, you want a very large interior volume, for not much construction material. The pyramids are just about the worst possible storage facility you can imagine, which is part of the point for the pharaohs: "Look at all this! Just for my body!"

His creationism is due to his religious indoctrination. It's not a good thing, but I know plenty of competent people who are creationists. But as far as I know, SDA has no opinion on the pyramids. This is his own stupid idea, and I think it demonstrates that outside of his narrow field of expertise, he is neither competent, nor does he rely on the expertise of others. This is a formula for disaster in a president.

 

[pgp_protector]

So This man that wants access to the Nuclear Football believes
1) The Pyramids were Grain silos
2) The Big Bang Theory is a Fairy Tale
3) The Theory Evolution is Satanic

What's next from him?

 

[AmericanChristian91]

I'm sure he also ignores the evidence that goes against the exodus also. He is further making conservatives look ignorant.

 

[The Barbarian]

Remember, 7th Day Adventists invented YE creationism.

 

[crjmurray]

So I'm getting the general impression that the pyramids WEREN'T grain silos?

 

[supescritter]

I'm sure he also ignores the evidence that goes against the exodus also. He is further making conservatives look ignorant.

There is evidence for Exodus. If you take a timeline 200 years before Ramses, then archeologists agree that there's evidence for Hebrew slaves, a city full of Hebrews, the immediate takeover of Egypt by a foreign force (because the army was wiped out?), plagues, the destruction of Jericho; there's even a tomb with a statue that matches Joseph's description. The reason why people think that Exodus didn't happen because they're convinced that Ramses was the "Pharoah" and therefore all the evidence that occurred 200 years prior wasn't related to Exodus. It's all detailed in the documentary (available on Netflix) discussed here:
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/insideis...-Documentary-Evidence-that-Demands-a-Verdict/

 

[supescritter]

So I'm getting the general impression that the pyramids WEREN'T grain silos?

I was looking things up to find out how Carson could have come up with his beliefs, and I found this:
http://www.wyattnewsletters.com/joseph/joseph07.htm

quote: "
And the storage of such a massive amount of grain would have required a large storage area, such as the extremely large pits found in this complex. It is also reasonable to expect to find the storage pits within an enclosure such as this complex, with an area for the payment of the grain. This was a "business" and would have required a center of administration.

A great deal has been written about this complex, and most mention the uniqueness of it- something they cannot explain. In fact, when you ask the Egyptians what the huge pits were for, they admit that they just don't know.
"
Also this:
https://josephandisraelinegypt.wordpress.com/category/grain-silos-2/

I'm not saying I believe it all, but it seems possible. I'm open-minded about it now. Yes - the pyramids were used as tombs, but maybe that's not how it was used when first conceived by Imhotep?

 

[HitchSlap]

There is evidence for Exodus. If you take a timeline 200 years before Ramses, then archeologists agree that there's evidence for Hebrew slaves, a city full of Hebrews, the immediate takeover of Egypt by a foreign force (because the army was wiped out?), plagues, the destruction of Jericho; there's even a tomb with a statue that matches Joseph's description. The reason why people think that Exodus didn't happen because they're convinced that Ramses was the "Pharoah" and therefore all the evidence that occurred 200 years prior wasn't related to Exodus. It's all detailed in the documentary (available on Netflix) discussed here:
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/insideis...-Documentary-Evidence-that-Demands-a-Verdict/

Sorry, zero evidence for the Exodus myth.

 

[JackRT]

If one was to invent the most ludicrous and inefficient and cost-and -labour wasteful method of grain storage, a pyramid would be second on my list right after an orbiting satellite.

 

[supescritter]

Sorry, zero evidence for the Exodus myth.

wow. You're not ashamed to publicly declare your closed-mindedness? You are convinced that your knowledge and interpretation of the facts is infallible?

In the documentary which you're not even willing to watch, he talks about this scroll written by an Egyptian historian alive during the time that details the plagues in detail that matches the Biblical account and then asks a famed European Egyptologist his opinion on this scroll. His opinion was that it was a fantasy, made-up because it is too fantastic to have come true. He didn't refute it, or discredit the scroll. So even when an Exodus event is literally supported by external documentation, it is rejected. He, like you, is closed-minded. When you're closed minded, even the facts in front of your face won't convince you.

Surprise yourself and think outside your own closed-mind and watch it:

http://www.patternsofevidence.com/en/

None of the major events of the Exodus are actually refuted by Archaeologists. They did happen or are written about. The problem is that they all happened 200 years before Ramses - but they all happened in the same time period. The documentary provides a compelling reason for the disconnect between when Archaeologists agree these events happened (or were written about to have happened) and when they feel Exodus should have happened. The fact that these events DID happen (or were written about at the time) is not refuted. I think the evidence is compelling that these events did in fact happen during the Middle Kingdom period, and not the Ramses period.

 

[HitchSlap]

wow. You're not ashamed to publicly declare your closed-mindedness? You are convinced that your knowledge and interpretation of the facts is infallible?

In the documentary which you're not even willing to watch, he talks about this scroll written by an Egyptian historian alive during the time that details the plagues in detail that matches the Biblical account and then asks a famed European Egyptologist his opinion on this scroll. His opinion was that it was a fantasy, made-up because it is too fantastic to have come true. He didn't refute it, or discredit the scroll. So even when an Exodus event is literally supported by external documentation, it is rejected. He, like you, is closed-minded. When you're closed minded, even the facts in front of your face won't convince you.

Surprise yourself and think outside your own closed-mind and watch it:

http://www.patternsofevidence.com/en/

None of the major events of the Exodus are actually refuted by Archaeologists. They did happen or are written about. The problem is that they all happened 200 years before Ramses - but they all happened in the same time period. The documentary provides a compelling reason for the disconnect between when Archaeologists agree these events happened (or were written about to have happened) and when they feel Exodus should have happened. The fact that these events DID happen (or were written about at the time) is not refuted. I think the evidence is compelling that these events did in fact happen during the Middle Kingdom period, and not the Ramses period.

As I said, there is zero archaeological evidence to support the claim that millions of Hebrews lived in a ten square mile piece of desert for forty years. None.

At this point in time, archaeologists nor scholars consider the Exodus story as anything other than myth. This should not surprise you, all cultures have similar myths and legends, the Hebrews were no different. You should look into it some more.

If you plan on posting blog sites and random photos of petroglyphs to bolster your case, please don't, as I've already explained to another hopelessly confused poster, this is anecdotal at best. I'm only interested in real scholarship.

Oh, and if you accept the mythical account of Exodus as history, then you're also in the unenviable position of having to accept all other cultural myths as history too, and I doubt that you do, so now you have the added pressure of having to show why the Exodus account should have special treatment, without resorting to special pleading.

 

[supescritter]

As I said, there is zero archaeological evidence to support the claim that millions of Hebrews lived in a ten square mile piece of desert for forty years. None.

At this point in time, archaeologists nor scholars consider the Exodus story as anything other than myth. This should not surprise you, all cultures have similar myths and legends, the Hebrews were no different. You should look into it some more.

If you plan on posting blog sites and random photos of petroglyphs to bolster your case, please don't, as I've already explained to another hopelessly confused poster, this is anecdotal at best. I'm only interested in real scholarship.

Oh, and if you accept the mythical account of Exodus as history, then you're also in the unenviable position of having to accept all other cultural myths as history too, and I doubt that you do, so now you have the added pressure of having to show why the Exodus account should have special treatment, without resorting to special pleading.

no point even continuing this discussion if your mind is closed. I've provided you info about a documentary that compiles actual evidence that the events occurred that Egyptologists throughout the documentary did not disagree happened including a city populated by Hebrews, but instead of investigating it yourself you spew the same conversation ending closed minded "it didn't happen". pointless continuing.

 

[crjmurray]

no point even continuing this discussion if your mind is closed. I've provided you info about a documentary that compiles actual evidence that the events occurred that Egyptologists throughout the documentary did not disagree happened including a city populated by Hebrews, but instead of investigating it yourself you spew the same conversation ending closed minded "it didn't happen". pointless continuing.

I don't watch videos. Got any reading material? With references?

 

[supescritter]

I don't watch videos. Got any reading material? With references?

there are a few and if you read the synopsis of the film there are references to the materials that you can google. the documentary is a very unbiased presentation of facts - either conclusions made by established Egyptologists or actual Egyptian documents (for example proving Semitic slaves) then he asks Egyptologists their opinion. It's quite amazing their responses. Their excuses for why they don't interpret those facts as proof of exodus is eye opening when all the coinciding events are presented together.

the sole reason for their rejection stems from their interpretation of a dark period when the Egyptians were conquered and therefore the accurate record of time was lost. the established thought is that this dark period lasted about 400 years. the problem is all the other history around the area is based on this period being 400 years and so historians are reluctant to change this because they have to redo their research. The documentarian posits that if those dark ages were only 200 years then everything lines up chronologically.

this discussion shouldn't be around whether those events happened, because they did. it's about whether that period is 200 years or 400. If it's 400 years then the Pharaoh is Ramses and it didn't happen. If it's 200, then the period is the middle Kingdom before Ramses and all the archaeological evidence coincides remarkably. even the dark ages that occurred between the middle Kingdom and Ramses coincides with the supposed destruction of the Egyptian army

 

[Armoured]

So I'm getting the general impression that the pyramids WEREN'T grain silos?

Only in Civilisation II

 

[Armoured]

As I said, there is zero archaeological evidence to support the claim that millions of Hebrews lived in a ten square mile piece of desert for forty years. None.

At this point in time, archaeologists nor scholars consider the Exodus story as anything other than myth. This should not surprise you, all cultures have similar myths and legends, the Hebrews were no different. You should look into it some more.

If you plan on posting blog sites and random photos of petroglyphs to bolster your case, please don't, as I've already explained to another hopelessly confused poster, this is anecdotal at best. I'm only interested in real scholarship.

Oh, and if you accept the mythical account of Exodus as history, then you're also in the unenviable position of having to accept all other cultural myths as history too, and I doubt that you do, so now you have the added pressure of having to show why the Exodus account should have special treatment, without resorting to special pleading.

IIRC (and I admit it is many years since I've devoted any serious effort to Ancient Egyptian history) the general consensus among Egyptologists is that The Israelites and the Hyksos are the same people, and that the Exodus story is the mythologised folk memory version of how they came to and then left Egypt.

 

[Strathos]

Keep in mind that "forty" is a symbolic number in the Bible and it shouldn't necessarily be taken literally.

 

[Xalith]

there are a few and if you read the synopsis of the film there are references to the materials that you can google. the documentary is a very unbiased presentation of facts - either conclusions made by established Egyptologists or actual Egyptian documents (for example proving Semitic slaves) then he asks Egyptologists their opinion. It's quite amazing their responses. Their excuses for why they don't interpret those facts as proof of exodus is eye opening when all the coinciding events are presented together.

the sole reason for their rejection stems from their interpretation of a dark period when the Egyptians were conquered and therefore the accurate record of time was lost. the established thought is that this dark period lasted about 400 years. the problem is all the other history around the area is based on this period being 400 years and so historians are reluctant to change this because they have to redo their research. The documentarian posits that if those dark ages were only 200 years then everything lines up chronologically.

this discussion shouldn't be around whether those events happened, because they did. it's about whether that period is 200 years or 400. If it's 400 years then the Pharaoh is Ramses and it didn't happen. If it's 200, then the period is the middle Kingdom before Ramses and all the archaeological evidence coincides remarkably. even the dark ages that occurred between the middle Kingdom and Ramses coincides with the supposed destruction of the Egyptian army

Let's not even get into the ridiculous numbers of Christians who base their theology off of a movie made in Hollywood that was loosely based upon Scripture and History.

How many Christians can actually recite the story of Moses as it appears in the Bible, and NOT as it appears in Cecil DeMille's The Ten Commandments? Not saying that Mr. DeMille's movie is bad or anything, but if he had stuck with pure Scripture, the movie would not have been anywhere near as dramatic or interesting. He took some artistic liberties while keeping the general spirit of the story.

I bet there are also some unbelievers out there who assume that the movie's depiction of Moses and the Exodus is the "true" one, too.