Is the theory of evolution moral and ethical

[Loudmouth]

Paul did not live in the stone age, and he is among the most respected Apostles in the bible.

Is it a fable that the two pelvises in the middle look more like the pelvis on the left than the pelvis on the right?

 

[Poster0]

And he runs away the minute the evidence is presented. How predictable.

Actually if you go back and look, I was leaving before that. I see no reason to continue this discussion because you will only misrepresent the bible and my words, and nothing will change. This is a futile argument. After another thousand posts, you will still believe that we evolved from apes, and I will not. Maybe you love to argue but I don't, especially when it futile. I have wasted enough time here.

 

[bhsmte]

Actually if you go back and look, I was leaving before that. I see no reason to continue this discussion because you will only misrepresent the bible and my words, and nothing will change. This is a futile argument. You will still believe that we evolved from apes, and I will not. Maybe you love to argue but I don't, especially when it futile. I have wasted enough time here.

You have a habit of saying your leaving and you never do.

Bye.

 

[Loudmouth]

Actually if you go back and look, I was leaving before that. I see no reason to continue this discussion because you will only misrepresent the bible and my words, and nothing will change. This is a futile argument. After another thousand posts, you will still believe that we evolved from apes, and I will not. Maybe you love to argue but I don't, especially when it futile. I have wasted enough time here.

How many times have you quit this thread? Five? Seven?

You still won't address the evidence. Why?

 

[Dr GS Hurd]

What do u know about the earth!? What u have been told ever sense u where a child!? Look up the Michael Morley experiment also did you know that Wernher Von Braun who was Hitlers scientist.... They were against Yahweh, Yahweh's ppl n against creation.... Werner Von Braun established NASA n your one photo u claim to be real!?

How is ol' Mike Morley?

I'd like to shine a light on him.

 

[Dr GS Hurd]

Would you favor me with the original citation for this graphic. I'd like to use it in lecture.

 

[SteveB28]

Yes I know what I said. You forget that most of the first scientists were Christian, and none of them believed that they evolved from apes

Well, here is the fourth or fifth opportunity to meet my challenge, but instead you sidetrack into the question of scientists and their religious beliefs.

You cannot/will not answer it, correct? Because there is no example of a situation in which the conflict between religious interpretation and scientific understanding has ever resulted in the former being the truth.

 

[SteveB28]

Actually if you go back and look, I was leaving before that. I see no reason to continue this discussion because you will only misrepresent the bible and my words, and nothing will change. This is a futile argument. After another thousand posts, you will still believe that we evolved from apes, and I will not. Maybe you love to argue but I don't, especially when it futile. I have wasted enough time here.

You aren't "continuing" a discussion - you are avoiding one..........

 

[SteveB28]

Copernicus was a Christian and so was Galileo Galilei. A lot of famous scientists were Christians. In fact Sir Francis Bacon is known for establishing the scientific method of inquiry based on experimentation and inductive reasoning. Others such as Isaac Newton and Gregor Mendel who was the first to lay the mathematical foundations of genetics. Albert Einstein wasn't so much a devout Christian but still a believer in God and spirituality. There are plenty more as well and if it wasn't for christian scientists we wouldn't have many great discoveries in science.

Wisdom isn't about science though. Its about wise decisions in life and more about what you do with the science. We could come up with 1000s of examples where the science and tech has been put to bad use with unwise decisions and actions. Even things like money and power being abused and unwise decisions to misuse these things to harm others or make our world a worse off place.

The example in the bible about mans wisdom being foolish to God is about the ways of the world and what the world view thinks makes happiness and peace. We have seen that many base this on a superficial thing and that we have always fallen short of finding real peace. Whereas Gods peace surpasses all understanding and lasts. It is not of this worlds materialism but of storing up riches in heaven.
Matthew 6:19 to 21
"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20"But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal; 21for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

As often appears the case, your comments are irrelevant. The question was not whether scientists were Christians - virtually all of them were in those days. The question was to his claim that 'man's wisdom', relating specifically to the development of scientific knowledge, is made 'foolishness' by scripture.

He can't give me an example.

 

[Poster0]

You have a habit of saying your leaving and you never do.

How many times have you quit this thread? Five? Seven?

lol.

 

[bhsmte]

lol.

Yea, you are still here, LOL.

 

[Dr GS Hurd]

Stone age anonymous authors write stuff, hoping to convince people and then they say there will be a time when people don't buy the story any longer, to cover themselves and to make an excuse.

Neolithic agricultural communities invented record keeping which was ultimately used for writing narratives like the Epic of Atrahasis, and The Epic of Gilgamesh (5, 7, 9). Late Bronze/Early Iron age writers began collecting, and editing stories that eventually became the Bible (1, 8). Old fragments of earlier religious literature, particularly from Ugarit, are found in the Pslams, Book of Job, and Proverbs (2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13). The post Second Temple (~70 C.E.) developments that led to a Christian church were the work of writers collected under the pen name of "Paul" (14). This was canonized some 400 years later in a series of wars (14).

I don't know if you have the free time for books, but I find these to have been quite interesting.


1) Cross, Frank Moore
1973 Canaanite Myth and Hebrew Epic: Essays in the History of the Religion of Israel. Boston: Harvard University Press

2) Dahood, Mitchell
1965 Psalms I, 1-50: Introduction, Translation and Notes New York: Anchor Bible- Doubleday

3) __________
1968 Psalms II, 51-100: Introduction, Translation and Notes New York: Anchor Bible- Doubleday

4) ___________
1970 Psalms III, 101-150: Introduction, Translation and Notes New York: Anchor Bible- Doubleday (1995 paperback printing)

5) Dalley, Stephanie
2000 “Myths from Mesopotamia: Creation, The Flood, Gilgamesh, and Others, Revised” Oxford University Press

6) Jenkins, Philip
2010 “Jesus Wars: How Four Patriarchs, Three Queens, and Two Emperors Decided What Christians Would Believe for the Next 1,500 Years” New York: HarperCollins

7) Marshack, Alexander
1991 The Roots of Civilization Singapore: Palace Press and Alabama:
Books International

8) Matthews, Victor H., Don C. Benjamin
2006 “Old Testament Parallels: Law and Stories from the Ancient Near East” New York: The Paulist Press.

9) Schmandt-Besserat, Denise
1992 Before Writing Volume I: From counting to cuneiform Austin: University of Texas Press

10) Schniedewind, William M., Joel H. Hunt
2007 “A Primer on Ugaritic: Language, Culture, and Literature” Cambridge University Press

11) Pardee, Dennis
2002 Writings from the Ancient World Vol. 10: Ritual and Cult at Ugarit Atlanta: Society of Biblical Literature

12) Parker, Simon B. (Editor)
1997 Ugarit Narrative Poetry Translated by Mark S. Smith, Simon B. Parker, Edward L Greenstein, Theodore J. Lewis, David Marcus, Vol. 9 Writings from the Ancient World. Atlanta: Society of Biblical Literature

13) Pope, Marvin H.
1965 “Job: A new translation with Introduction and Commentary” Anchor Bible Vol. 15, New York: ABRL/Doubleday

14) Maccoby, Hyam
1986 The Mythmaker: Paul and the Invention of Christianity San Francisco: HarperCollins/Barnes and Noble

 

[Poster0]

You aren't "continuing" a discussion - you are avoiding one..........

Yup, sorry about that, but I wont believe that we evolved from apes. You can if you want, but I wont bother to argue about it anymore. I know the ape-man theory is an absurd notion invented in the minds of fallible men. I don't bow to human fallacy, no mater how big it grows.

 

[Poster0]

Yea, you are still here, LOL.

For a minute.

 

[Dr GS Hurd]

There are several excellent archaeological studies that parallel the textural/linguistic books I mentioned earlier;

Finkelstein, Israel, Neil Silberman
2001 "The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology’s New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts" New York: The Free Press

Killebrew, Ann E.
2005 “Biblical Peoples and Ethnicity: An Archaeological Study of Egyptians, Canaanites, Philistines, and Early Israel.” Society of Biblical Literature

Mazar, Amihai
1992 "Archaeology of the Land of the Bible: 10,000-586 B.C.E." The Anchor Bible Reference Library NewYork: ABRL/Doubleday

Stern, Ephraim
2001 "Archaeology of the Land of the Bible, Vol. II: The Asserian, Babylonian and Persian Periods (732-332 B.C.E.)" The Anchor Bible Reference Library New York: ABRL/Doubleday

 

[bhsmte]

For a minute.

Minute is over.

Bye.

 

[bhsmte]

Neolithic agricultural communities invented record keeping which was ultimately used for writing narratives like the Epic of Atrahasis, and The Epic of Gilgamesh (5, 7, 9). Late Bronze/Early Iron age writers began collecting, and editing stories that eventually became the Bible (1, 8). Old fragments of earlier religious literature, particularly from Ugarit, are found in the Pslams, Book of Job, and Proverbs (2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13). The post Second Temple (~70 C.E.) developments that led to a Christian church were the work of writers collected under the pen name of "Paul" (14). This was canonized some 400 years later in a series of wars (14).

I don't know if you have the free time for books, but I find these to have been quite interesting.


1) Cross, Frank Moore
1973 Canaanite Myth and Hebrew Epic: Essays in the History of the Religion of Israel. Boston: Harvard University Press

2) Dahood, Mitchell
1965 Psalms I, 1-50: Introduction, Translation and Notes New York: Anchor Bible- Doubleday

3) __________
1968 Psalms II, 51-100: Introduction, Translation and Notes New York: Anchor Bible- Doubleday

4) ___________
1970 Psalms III, 101-150: Introduction, Translation and Notes New York: Anchor Bible- Doubleday (1995 paperback printing)

5) Dalley, Stephanie
2000 “Myths from Mesopotamia: Creation, The Flood, Gilgamesh, and Others, Revised” Oxford University Press

6) Jenkins, Philip
2010 “Jesus Wars: How Four Patriarchs, Three Queens, and Two Emperors Decided What Christians Would Believe for the Next 1,500 Years” New York: HarperCollins

7) Marshack, Alexander
1991 The Roots of Civilization Singapore: Palace Press and Alabama:
Books International

8) Matthews, Victor H., Don C. Benjamin
2006 “Old Testament Parallels: Law and Stories from the Ancient Near East” New York: The Paulist Press.

9) Schmandt-Besserat, Denise
1992 Before Writing Volume I: From counting to cuneiform Austin: University of Texas Press

10) Schniedewind, William M., Joel H. Hunt
2007 “A Primer on Ugaritic: Language, Culture, and Literature” Cambridge University Press

11) Pardee, Dennis
2002 Writings from the Ancient World Vol. 10: Ritual and Cult at Ugarit Atlanta: Society of Biblical Literature

12) Parker, Simon B. (Editor)
1997 Ugarit Narrative Poetry Translated by Mark S. Smith, Simon B. Parker, Edward L Greenstein, Theodore J. Lewis, David Marcus, Vol. 9 Writings from the Ancient World. Atlanta: Society of Biblical Literature

13) Pope, Marvin H.
1965 “Job: A new translation with Introduction and Commentary” Anchor Bible Vol. 15, New York: ABRL/Doubleday

14) Maccoby, Hyam
1986 The Mythmaker: Paul and the Invention of Christianity San Francisco: HarperCollins/Barnes and Noble

Several years ago, I took it upon myself, to study the works of a variety of NT historians and scholars. The impact of that study, is one of the main reasons I am no longer a Christian.

 

[SteveB28]

Yup, sorry about that, but I wont believe that we evolved from apes. You can if you want, but I wont bother to argue about it anymore. I know the ape-man theory is an absurd notion invented in the minds of fallible men. I don't bow to human fallacy, no mater how big it grows.

And yet, on every opportunity offered, you fail to provide even a single example of this "human fallacy" having been corrected by your preferred method of truth seeking.

 

[allhart]

How is ol' Mike Morley?

I'd like to shine a light on him.

Furthermore the navy did the experiment 3 times with the save results..... Basically their is a solid refactor for light to bounce off of.... Also tesla believed in the aether known as the firmament

 

[bhsmte]

Furthermore the navy did the experiment 3 times with the save results..... Basically their is a solid refactor for light to bounce off of.... Also tesla believed in the aether known as the firmament

What did you learn from this?