God and the flood

[Colter]

Why don't you lay out your beliefs regarding Urantia and see how many christians agree with you.

Not many, but we have a lot in common.

 

[Chriliman]

Let's look at that again. You claim to just have asked God, who can answer your every question, and got the answer "Freodin thinks that he understands God with his mind, but his 'heart' is far from God". Correct?

But I do not think that I understand God intellectually, I have never claimed that, and I have never made any remark in that direction. This truth has been personally demonstrated to me - very personally, I do know what I think and what I do not think! - so I cannot be deceived here (according to a honest and reasonable poster here).

The answer that God allegedly gave you is wrong. Not what a perfect omniscient infallible deity would say. But is sounds suspiciously like something that you - the fallible human with a certain predisposition for projecting his religous view on others - would make in order to be able to ignore my questions.

In your second paragraph you claim to not understand God then in your third paragraph you claim to know what a perfect infallible deity would not say. This is a blatant contradiction.

And you just proved God's point that you think you understand Him with your mind (you know what He would not say), but your heart is far from Him, He does not know you personally, but He knows of you and He knows what you think which has been demonstrated here through your own contradictory words.

Freodin, just remember we all can have hope that truth will prevail.

Thanks for your time.

 

[ecco]

ecco said: ↑

You stated:

However, one can be sincerely deceived and not realize they're being deceived.​

You believe it applies to me but you can not contemplate that it applies to you, because you know the truth.​

If you honestly thought you knew the truth because it was personally demonstrated to you, would you think you were being deceived? You would have to be irrational to think so, right?

I think it is irrational for anyone, other than a god, to claim they know the truth.
I think it is irrational for anyone to believe that a god has demonstrated truth too them.
I think it is irrational for anyone to believe they are that special in god's eyes.

Jim Jones believed god had communicated truth to him.
David Koresh believed god had communicated truth to him.
Warren Jeffs believed god had communicated truth to him.
Mohammed believed god had communicated truth to him.

 

[ecco]

ecco said: ↑

Why don't you lay out your beliefs regarding Urantia and see how many christians agree with you.​

Not many, but we have a lot in common.

ecco said: ↑
So, why don't you lay out your beliefs regarding Urantia and see how many christians agree with you.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

No, those are your words not mine. I think you lost your shallow faith, you are here to find flaws and subversively mock Christians. Atheist who join Christian forums and engage any Christian who happens along down the trail with the same baited questions are not difficult to spot.

Are all questions "baited," or just the ones you can't answer?

 

[Freodin]

In your second paragraph you claim to not understand God then in your third paragraph you claim to know what a perfect infallible deity would not say. This is a blatant contradiction.

And you just proved God's point that you think you understand Him with your mind (you know what He would not say), but your heart is far from Him, He does not know you personally, but He knows of you and He knows what you think which has been demonstrated here through your own contradictory words.

Freodin, just remember we all can have hope that truth will prevail.

Thanks for your time.

A blatant contradiction! Call the thought-police!

But there's a problem: if I were to claim that I understand God, because I understand that something that would always tell the truth would tell the truth about me claiming to understand God, that would mean that I don't understand God when he claims that I claim that I understand God when I do not claim to understand God, but only that there is a contradiction between what "God" (in the person of Chriliman) claims and what I claim.

That is a blatant contradiction! God just contradicted himself... and now he "promptly vanishes in a cloud of logic."

You are a weasel, Chriliman. You will go to every length not to admit your own mistakes.

You don't have the right to lecture others about honesty or intelligence.

 

[GrowingSmaller]

 

[Colter]

Are all questions "baited," or just the ones you can't answer?

Just the phony ones where atheist pretend to be truth seekers when they are just hecklers. Myself, I always answer the questions.

 

[Colter]

ecco said: ↑

Why don't you lay out your beliefs regarding Urantia and see how many christians agree with you.​

ecco said: ↑
So, why don't you lay out your beliefs regarding Urantia and see how many christians agree with you.

Its like Little Caesars pizza-pizza

This site blocks discussion of the UB for the most part so I tend to generalize and talk about what I have in common with Christians.

We talk about it on other sites quite a bit. http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67763

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Just the phony ones where atheist pretend to be truth seekers when they are just hecklers.

Based on your posting history, it seems that whenever there is a question you cannot satisfactorily answer you attack the sincerity of the questioner.

Myself, I always answer the questions.

With unhelpful quotes from the UB.

 

[Colter]

Based on your posting history, it seems that whenever there is a question you cannot satisfactorily answer you attack the sincerity of the questioner.

With unhelpful quotes from the UB.

My posting history calls out the fraudulent tactics of the atheist here on the Christin forum. And yes, you lost your faith and have remained here to drag other people down with you. I call out the cleverly designed questions which can never be satisfactorily answered (according to the atheist inquisitors) for what they are, insincere. You've never responded to UB quotes, it's like water and vampires.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

My posting history calls out the fraudulent tactics of the atheist here on the Christin forum. And yes, you lost your faith and have remanded to drag other people down with you. I call out the cleverly designed questions which can never be satisfactorily answered (according to the atheist inquisitors) for what they are, insincere.

It seems that, by your standard, the sincerity of a question depends entirely on whether you are able to satisfactorily answer it or not. If you are not able to answer it then, in your mind, that must reflect on the insincerity of the question rather than the shortcomings of your answer.

You've never responded to UB quotes, it's like water and vampires.

You seem to think that quoting from the UB is like reciting a spell from a spell-book. Perhaps you aren't a proficient spell-caster?

 

[Colter]

It seems that, by your standard, the sincerity of a question depends entirely on whether you are able to satisfactorily answer it or not. If you are not able to answer it then, in your mind, that must reflect on the insincerity of the question rather than the shortcomings of your answer.

You seem to think that quoting from the UB is like reciting a spell from a spell-book. Perhaps you aren't a proficient spell-caster?

It may seem that way to you because you are dishonest with yourself and others about your true motives here. Your psychobabble doesn't work. You believe your on BS which really is a form of insanity. I absolutely do question the sincerity of atheist who join Christian forums (or former believers who stick around after rejecting their former Christian beliefs) that continue to more or less harass one believer after another, then another and another, with the same questions.

The UB presents philosophical truths and answers questions in, what I find to be, a compelling way. I think you don't like it, or respond to the quotes which address your peppering questions, because it answers what you thought were cornering questions. Hence, I find you and other atheist here to lack any real desire to understand or find answers. Your mind was made up long ago, it's just that you never left.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

It may seem that way to you because you are dishonest with yourself and others about your true motives here.

So you keep saying, repeatedly.

Your psychobabble doesn't work. You believe your on BS which really is a form of insanity. I absolutely do question the sincerity of atheist who join Christian forums (or former believers who stick around after rejecting their former Christian beliefs) that continue to more or less harass one believer after another, then another and another, with the same questions.

I've already addressed this on multiple occasions (1, 2, 3). Should we also question the sincerity of a UB-follower who joins a Christian forum even though many (perhaps most) Christians consider his beliefs heretical?

The UB presents philosophical truths and answers questions in, what I find to be, a compelling way. I think you don't like it, or respond to the quotes which address your peppering questions, because it answers what you thought were cornering questions. Hence, I find you and other atheist here to lack any real desire to understand or find answers. Your mind was made up long ago, it's just that you never left.

I think you vastly overestimate how compelling your spell-casting is.

 

[Colter]

So you keep saying, repeatedly.

I've already addressed this on multiple occasions (1, 2, 3). Should we also question the sincerity of a UB-follower who joins a Christian forum even though many (perhaps most) Christians consider his beliefs heretical?

I think you vastly overestimate how compelling your spell-casting is.

Sure, question me and I have and will tell you again, openly, with nothing to hide. I don't pretend. I believe Jesus is the Christ, I believe revelation is ongoing, I believe things in both the Bible and the Urantia book, I believe spiritual truths wherever I find them. I believe scientific things as well. I am motivated by a genuine search and discussion of spiritual truth. I have faith, I am on a board with others who have faith even thought they may respectfully disagree with me, my beliefs, my conclusions etc.

I believe you and some of the other atheists are here primarily to harass believers.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Sure, question me and I have and will tell you again, openly, with nothing to hide. I don't pretend. I believe Jesus is the Christ, I believe revelation is ongoing, I believe things in both the Bible and the Urantia book, I believe spiritual truths wherever I find them. I believe scientific things as well. I am motivated by a genuine search and discussion of spiritual truth. I have faith, I am on a board with others who have faith even thought they may respectfully disagree with me, my beliefs, my conclusions etc.

I believe you and some of the other atheists are here primarily to harass believers.

Perhaps you are just here to proselytise for doctrines that many (most?) Christians consider heretical? Perhaps we should be questioning the sincerity of your motivations here, since you are just as much an "outsider" to Christianity as most of us. It seems that you are only attacking atheists as an out-group in order to crystallize in your own mind your status as a member of the in-group. The irony is that many Christians see you as belonging to the out-group, with us, the people whose motives you are constantly questioning.

 

[Colter]

Perhaps you are just here to proselytise for doctrines that many (most?) Christians consider heretical? Perhaps we should be questioning the sincerity of your motivations here, since you are just as much an "outsider" to Christianity as most of us. It seems that you are only attacking atheists as an out-group in order to crystallize in your own mind your status as a member of the in-group. The irony is that many Christians see you as belonging to the out-group, with us, the people whose motives you are constantly questioning.

In general I have everything in common with the faithful, who sincerely disagree with my theology on the path to God and nothing in common with the dark side that questions everyone's theology on the path to death.

And I'm not attacking you, just calling out your BS from time to time.

 

[bhsmte]

It seems that, by your standard, the sincerity of a question depends entirely on whether you are able to satisfactorily answer it or not. If you are not able to answer it then, in your mind, that must reflect on the insincerity of the question rather than the shortcomings of your answer.

You seem to think that quoting from the UB is like reciting a spell from a spell-book. Perhaps you aren't a proficient spell-caster?

That would be the defense mechanisms coming into play.

 

[Colter]

That would be the defense mechanisms coming into play.

Defending the faithful against the phonies.

 

[bhsmte]

Defending the faithful against the phonies.

I am quite certain, this would be the way you rationalize it.