Why does the earth rotate?

[Kylie]

No. More like, for so called science...this

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There comes a time when I don't ask the goalie if it's OK to score.

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That parts the assume a same state past and say anything at all about the far future, the far past or the far universe!

So the answer is no, you can't point out a flaw in the science. You can't show me where the equations are wrong. And you are ignoring the huge amount of support we have for the laws of the universe being pretty much the same everywhere.

They don't know when to believe themselves.

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Told you exactly where they go wrong in what they say.

And I told you why you are wrong.

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No, you have heard nothing from God. You have heard words written by man, then translated, selectively edited and then translated again, then passed on to you by more men who are using those words to promote their own agenda.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Please post the actual equation that would allow us to determine the rate of spin from only the planet's magnetic field.

It's on the page before the one I linked to - are you not familiar with the Lorentz Force? But this means you'd first need to familiarize yourself with Ampere's Law and give up your Fairie Dust beliefs about magnetic fields.

I mean come on - even mainstream knows the answer - they just ignore the true cause of those electric and magnetic fields - and apply it to perpetual motion machines spinning in the center of the earth for 4+ billion years against friction.

http://www.livescience.com/39780-magnetic-field-pushes-earth-core.html

"The Earth's magnetic field controls the direction and speed at which Earth's inner and outer cores spin, even though they move in opposite directions, new research suggests.... Now, researchers at the University of Leeds in England have found a common link between the two rotations by creating a computer model that shows how the rotation of the Earth's magnetic field can both pull the liquid outer core in a westerly direction while also exerting an opposite force on the inner core that causes an easterly rotation.

"Previously, there have been these two independent observations, and there has not been a link between them," study co-author Philip Livermore, of the University of Leeds, told LiveScience's OurAmazingPlanet. "We argue that the magnetic field itself is pushing on the outer core, and there is an equal and opposite push on the inner core."

You know - for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. It's Newton's 3rd law.

Ask them for the calculations - I am sure they can easily provide you with them, since they have a working model.

But they are getting closer - perhaps one day we can get rid of all the other Fairie Dust as well. You just need to be willing to keep up with the times and give up that century old Fairie Dust.

 

[dad]

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Did you consider weekend cartoons horror movies as a child?

So the answer is no, you can't point out a flaw in the science.

Yes. I did. Their flaw is basing all things on the present state and physical only.

You can't show me where the equations are wrong.

Sure I can. Since you have provided no equation to roast, I'll offer one up myself. E=MC2

Energy and mass and light speed are all functions of the present state near earth. So, regarding the future and the far past, we can correct this equation and change the equal sign to 'does not equal'.

Now, we can also add one of those does not equal signs to the claims of science about the far past or future. The only connection is the present state, and if and when that is not here, well, just forget things being the same. That is deep math. True math. Superior math. Godly math.

And you are ignoring the huge amount of support we have for the laws of the universe being pretty much the same everywhere.

You are ignoring that all this support is belief based and totally unsupportable anywhere outside your head.

No, you have heard nothing from God.

Jesus confirmed Scripture is indeed the very words of God. Gong!

You have heard words written by man

You cannot evidence that bogus claim. You have no way to check if the Spirit of God was behind the words from the little pigpen of science.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

So the answer is no, you can't point out a flaw in the science. You can't show me where the equations are wrong. And you are ignoring the huge amount of support we have for the laws of the universe being pretty much the same everywhere.

What laws in your claimed accelerating universe?????


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity

"It is based on two postulates: (1) that the laws of physics are invariant (i.e. identical) in all inertial systems (non-accelerating frames of reference);"

They are according to real physics - only the same if two systems are moving relative to one another - the entire principle behind Relativity.

"Special principle of relativity: If a system of coordinates K is chosen so that, in relation to it, physical laws hold good in their simplest form, the same laws hold good in relation to any other system of coordinates K' moving in uniform translation relatively to K."

But you claim the entire universe is undergoing an increasing acceleration - making every single frame a non-inertial system and nothing is moving in unform translation to another besides our local group of galaxies.

Your own science falsifies your Fairie Dust beliefs - and always has.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_frame_of_reference

"Physical laws take the same form in all inertial frames.[4] By contrast, in a non-inertial reference frame the laws of physics vary depending on the acceleration of that frame with respect to an inertial frame..."

And because they treat it all the same against their own theories, we have to listen to them spout 96% Fairie Dust.

 

[dad]

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I mean come on - even mainstream knows the answer - they just ignore the true cause of those electric and magnetic fields -

So rather than say you have an alternate theory, you claim you have the answer. Funny thing is that you don't actually know what you are talking about. Isn't it time to face that? The interior of the earth is really mostly unknown. The theories about it are based on at best indirect evidences, and partial information. There is no way you could know. Better to act accordingly.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

So rather than say you have an alternate theory, you claim you have the answer. Funny thing is that you don't actually know what you are talking about. Isn't it time to face that? The interior of the earth is really mostly unknown. The theories about it are based on at best indirect evidences, and partial information. There is no way you could know. Better to act accordingly.

Yah, lol, this from a man that believes God created the universe but it doesn't operate by the forces He set in motion. Cop-out after cop-out.

At least they deny science because it opposes their beliefs - you do so just to do so to remain in the 3rd century.

 

[dad]

Yah, lol, this from a man that believes God created the universe but it doesn't operate by the forces He set in motion. Cop-out after cop-out.

No, it is called belief in Jesus as creator and Scripture. The future is different. Eden was different, and even the days of Noah in basic ways were different than today. The stars will be different soon, they will go dark. The sun too. God did not set anything in motion to abandon it.

At least they deny science because it opposes their beliefs - you do so just to do so to remain in the 3rd century.

Despite you thinking it is modern to disbelieve Genesis and invent some electric universe nonsense, I think that believing Jesus created all things is not optional.

 

[Crowns&Laurels]

The reason for Earth's rotation is extremely simple. The Earth is still spinning from the time it was formed when all it's matter collided together. There is no resistance or force in space to halt it.

Of course, there's also the idea that Earth is at the center, and what is perceived as rotation is simply the universe moving around it.

 

[dad]

The reason for Earth's rotation is extremely simple. The Earth is still spinning from the time it was formed when all it's matter collided together. There is no resistance or force in space to halt it.

Of course, there's also the idea that Earth is at the center, and what is perceived as rotation is simply the universe moving around it.

Nice fable. No proof exists though...sorry. Gong!

 

[Justatruthseeker]

No, it is called belief in Jesus as creator and Scripture. The future is different. Eden was different, and even the days of Noah in basic ways were different than today. The stars will be different soon, they will go dark. The sun too. God did not set anything in motion to abandon it.
Despite you thinking it is modern to disbelieve Genesis and invent some electric universe nonsense, I think that believing Jesus created all things is not optional.

No kidding. How could anything be the same in an accelerating universe????

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/why-does-the-earth-rotate.7906046/page-39#post-68764212

Your problem is you believe their hype that science supports them - so you reject science. When all anybody that understands basic English has to do is actually read what the theory they claim to follow says. But you are so busy arguing against everything - even what you claim 10 minutes prior - you can't even see what is in front of your face either. Like them, blinded by your own Fairie Dust that glitters so brightly you can't see beyond it.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

The reason for Earth's rotation is extremely simple. The Earth is still spinning from the time it was formed when all it's matter collided together. There is no resistance or force in space to halt it.

Of course, there's also the idea that Earth is at the center, and what is perceived as rotation is simply the universe moving around it.

How does that happen when all the other matter is spinning around the sun in the same direction and speed as it forms? Collisions would be extremely rare, just as they are in the asteroid belt - where collisions cause uncontrolled spin (in all directions) - not spin around the suns plane. People just don't understand the mechanics of collision which cause things to spin in any direction (tumble) - not consistently in relation to their poles. One in a million we could buy - 9 times in a row not including moons.....

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Despite you thinking it is modern to disbelieve Genesis and invent some electric universe nonsense, I think that believing Jesus created all things is not optional.

It's not optional, where did you ever get that idea except in your own mind? Show me one post where I have ever said God did not create everything? it's not my fault you believe God created everything and then think He didn't put laws in place for it to operate by. And Jesus can not be left out either for it was "through" him God created all things and "for" him. He chose to obey God as well when sent to the earth for us. Thank you Jesus!

Don't try putting words in my mouth - you can't find anything where I have ever made such a claim.

 

[dad]

No kidding. How could anything be the same in an accelerating universe????

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/why-does-the-earth-rotate.7906046/page-39#post-68764212

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/why-does-the-earth-rotate.7906046/page-39#post-68764212

To have it be accelerating they assume things are the same there, like redshift.

Your problem is you believe their hype that science supports them - so you reject science.

That is not science. I simply make the distinction. But I think you do the same, no? You accept distances and sizes based on our time and space.

When all anybody that understands basic English has to do is actually read what the theory they claim to follow says. But you are so busy arguing against everything - even what you claim 10 minutes prior - you can't even see what is in front of your face either. Like them, blinded by your own Fairie Dust that glitters so brightly you can't see beyond it.

Name an instance where I argue against something I claimed 10 minutes prior? Slander is not an argument.

 

[dad]

It's not optional, where did you ever get that idea except in your own mind? Show me one post where I have ever said God did not create everything? it's not my fault you believe God created everything and then think He didn't put laws in place for it to operate by. And Jesus can not be left out either for it was "through" him God created all things and "for" him. He chose to obey God as well when sent to the earth for us. Thank you Jesus!

Don't try putting words in my mouth - you can't find anything where I have ever made such a claim.

You claimed if I recall, that Jesus was not God. That is where.

 

[Kylie]

It's on the page before the one I linked to - are you not familiar with the Lorentz Force? But this means you'd first need to familiarize yourself with Ampere's Law and give up your Fairie Dust beliefs about magnetic fields.

Now there's an interesting idea. I will happily agree that a magnetic field can be used to produce a spin in an object. But can a magnetic field be used to produce a spin in the object that is creating the magnetic field in the first place? Isn't that like getting a big fan on a sailing ship to blow into the sails? The two forces pretty much cancel each other out.

I mean come on - even mainstream knows the answer - they just ignore the true cause of those electric and magnetic fields - and apply it to perpetual motion machines spinning in the center of the earth for 4+ billion years against friction.

http://www.livescience.com/39780-magnetic-field-pushes-earth-core.html

"The Earth's magnetic field controls the direction and speed at which Earth's inner and outer cores spin, even though they move in opposite directions, new research suggests.... Now, researchers at the University of Leeds in England have found a common link between the two rotations by creating a computer model that shows how the rotation of the Earth's magnetic field can both pull the liquid outer core in a westerly direction while also exerting an opposite force on the inner core that causes an easterly rotation.

"Previously, there have been these two independent observations, and there has not been a link between them," study co-author Philip Livermore, of the University of Leeds, told LiveScience's OurAmazingPlanet. "We argue that the magnetic field itself is pushing on the outer core, and there is an equal and opposite push on the inner core."

So? You have not shown that this is responsible for the rotation of the earth, just parts of it deep underground.

You know - for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. It's Newton's 3rd law.

So why do most of the planets spin in the same direction? It's a bit of a coincidence, isn't it?

Ask them for the calculations - I am sure they can easily provide you with them, since they have a working model.

I wonder if their calculations and their model can explain why most of the planets and moons spin in the same direction.

Of course, the generally accepted scientific theory explains it neatly.

http://www.urban-astronomer.com/art...nd-answers/do-all-planets-spin-same-direction
https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=22778

But they are getting closer - perhaps one day we can get rid of all the other Fairie Dust as well. You just need to be willing to keep up with the times and give up that century old Fairie Dust.

Perhaps you should look at the fairy dust which somehow gets the other planets to spin the same way as Earth.

 

[Kylie]

Did you consider weekend cartoons horror movies as a child?

When you were in school, did you consider science class to be a horror movie, but in real life?

Yes. I did. Their flaw is basing all things on the present state and physical only.

You have not shown any point where the science is inconsistent.

Sure I can. Since you have provided no equation to roast, I'll offer one up myself. E=MC2

Energy and mass and light speed are all functions of the present state near earth. So, regarding the future and the far past, we can correct this equation and change the equal sign to 'does not equal'.

Now, we can also add one of those does not equal signs to the claims of science about the far past or future. The only connection is the present state, and if and when that is not here, well, just forget things being the same. That is deep math. True math. Superior math. Godly math.

That is nothing. Al you are doing is claiming that you don't think they work like that except near Earth, and then concluding that they don't work like this, except near Earth.

Your logic isn't even logic.

You are ignoring that all this support is belief based and totally unsupportable anywhere outside your head.

No, I am observing the fact that everything we see in the distant universe can be explained using the same laws we have here.

Jesus confirmed Scripture is indeed the very words of God. Gong!

Except that was in the Scripture, wasn't it? Do you think you can use a source to validate itself.

How about I show you a piece of handwritten music that is signed by Beethoven. You have your doubts about its authenticity, so I say, "Look, it's got beethoven's name on it. If it wasn't him, he couldn't have signed it, and it wouldn't say Beethoven. So since it says Beethoven, it MUST be authentic!"

Do you find such an argument convincing? Of course not. Your argument is not convincing for the same reason.

You cannot evidence that bogus claim. You have no way to check if the Spirit of God was behind the words from the little pigpen of science.

The fact that there are scientific inaccuracies in the Bible is evidence that the Spirit of God was not behind it (unless you think that the Spirit of God makes mistakes).

 

[In situ]

Some people apparently take this fable seriously and even call it science.

Some people know math and can verify it with Newtons equations. It is really not that hard once you get the hang on it.

Total 100% fable and story telling of course.

It is the same "fable and story telling" that allows you to write your nonsense here. I dunno about you, but it works so it is good enough for me.

I seriously wonder; are you getting paid for your attempts to dumb down people when making them believe in all your nonsensical assertions? I mean what is the point to try to revert back our knowledge to the time when we lived in caves and were afraid of rodents?

 

[In situ]

Why does water rotate when going down a drain?

According to dad - god did it! (since physics is just fables and story telling)

 

[dad]

When you were in school, did you consider science class to be a horror movie, but in real life?

Sometimes.

You have not shown any point where the science is inconsistent.

With what!? Of course it is consistent with it's own belief system. Nothing gets added unless it is.

That is nothing. Al you are doing is claiming that you don't think they work like that except near Earth, and then concluding that they don't work like this, except near Earth.

That is nothing. Al you are doing is claiming that you do think they work like that including near Earth, and then concluding that they do work like this, including near Earth.

Your logic isn't even logic.

That makes sense.

No, I am observing the fact that everything we see in the distant universe can be explained using the same laws we have here.

Not really. You end up with 95% of the universe being unknown stuff of dreams.

Except that was in the Scripture, wasn't it? Do you think you can use a source to validate itself.

Scripture means the Almighty God. He can be used to do anything. Science can't.

How about I show you a piece of handwritten music that is signed by Beethoven. You have your doubts about its authenticity, so I say, "Look, it's got beethoven's name on it. If it wasn't him, he couldn't have signed it, and it wouldn't say Beethoven. So since it says Beethoven, it MUST be authentic!"

How about you die to affirm that? Then arrange millions more to do the same. Then affect billions of lives over time in their heart and lives. Then make all history come down like a symphony orchestra, orchestrated in advance! Oh, and then raise yourself from the dead.

The fact that there are scientific inaccuracies in the Bible is evidence

No. There are not. Not one. Anywhere.

But face it, you make mistakes.

 

[dad]

Some people know math and can verify it with Newtons equations. It is really not that hard once you get the hang on it.

You have no math to verify God is not real or creation. Neither have you any for a same state past or future. Not unless you are just scribbling numbers.

It is the same "fable and story telling" that allows you to write your nonsense here. I dunno about you, but it works so it is good enough for me.

Name the exact way a same state past or future works for you? I might try it out.

I seriously wonder; are you getting paid for your attempts to dumb down people when making them believe in all your nonsensical assertions?

Yes.

I mean what is the point to try to revert back our knowledge to the time when we lived in caves and were afraid of rodents?

Don't get juiced just because there is a limit on how far knowledge actually goes, and how far we know our nature to go.