Why is Christianity opposed to the theory of Evolution?

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As a Christian, I believe in micro-evolution. It's observable and based on the scientific method. That being said, I completely disagree with Darwnist (macro) evolution. It's based on guesses and suppositions.
Not at all. It's backed by evidence in any number of sciences, from genetics to geology. I have a question for you. Is homo habilus a man or an ape? You should know that the genus homo does refer to man. But what is your own personal opinion after reading up on the species?
 
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. . . . You don't have to buy into it. These guys are full of smoky mirrors. Microevolution is provable, verifiable and testable. That is a given. Macroevolution is faith based. Calling it a theory is really a stretch. The only reason it has the respect it does is because Macroevolution piggy backs onto provable, verifiable microevolution. They conveniently "extrapolate" micro to macro and say..."It's all the same thing" Well I call them on it. No.... it isn't. There is no proof of crossing kinds anywhere. Sure, they say they found the "missing link" and the "new missing link". and lets just rename this "missing link" because we want the credit for it, but there are sooo many "missing links" that should be there that are not there, not to mention the process to even "get there" is missing too.

The extreme traditionalists are dragged into accepting science one baby step at a time. they have gone from denying the rotation of the earth to accepting the rotation of the earth. They are gone from denying all evolution to accepting what they call "micro" evolution. Just a few more generations and they'll be accepting evolution as well.
 
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I watched one TV programme about evolution and the evolutionist said we evolved from a sand worm no bigger than our thumbnail. I watched another one where David Attenborough said we all evolved from a fish.

To which Squeegee Beckenheim replied with the following.

I question whether your memory of these programmes is complete and accurate.

His memory ('As I was saying' at Post #240) is absolutely complete and accurate. I will confirm it. See the link below to confirm David Attenborough’s views.

See what David Attenborough said at http://lifefromgod.com/ (It is the second article on the page.)

David Attenborough also said, “[This baby’s] ancestry like that of all of us stretches back over 500 million years to a tiny little worm-like creature swimming in the bottom of the sea.”

David Attenborough considers early fish and a tiny worm-like creature to be our direct ancestors. (Note -- The tiny worm-like creature is a neo-chordate.)

Dr. GS Hurd is a prominent evolutionist. He supports Attenborough’s views. Hurd traces human ancestry as far back as the neo-chordates, and even further still to bacteria.

Why bacteria? The protein rhodopsin is found in bacteria, and this protein is essential in humans for ‘night vision.’ It is first observed in bacteria from which we inherited it. See what he said below.

Hurd wrote: “We can go back as far as you like. Bacteria have the most primitive form of rhodopsin. Ours is derived from over a billion years of evolution. All forms of visual pigments ultimately originated with bacteria.

All vertebrates descend from a neo-chordate. It would have generally fit the description of "a tiny little worm-like creature swimming in the bottom of the sea.”

For confirmation and reference see Hurd’s discussion at https://disqus.com/home/discussion/...volution_science_creation/#comment-1786376273
 
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The extreme traditionalists are dragged into accepting science one baby step at a time. they have gone from denying the rotation of the earth to accepting the rotation of the earth. They are gone from denying all evolution to accepting what they call "micro" evolution. Just a few more generations and they'll be accepting evolution as well.

Like I have always stated; science has never had to adapt to religious beliefs, but certain religious beliefs, have had to adapt to the discoveries of science.

Slow process for some, because it can be a painful process to accept what goes against a tightly held belief, but when the education train keeps rolling along, there is no stopping it.
 
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Look at religion.
Science books are reprinted and updated every couple of years. When's the last time a religion got revised in the same way based on actual new data?

Science changes constantly. Religion changes, like... never. AT best, it changes some "interpretation", but still hangs on to its basic dogmatic premises and doctrines.

Coincidentally, I was pondering the Creation earlier this week. A principle from Einstein's Theory of (Non)-Relativity came to mind, as illustrated by Orson Scott Card's novel Ender's Game. The scientific principle: as one approaches the speed of light, time (for that one) slows and, at the speed of light, it stands still.

This theory has been tried, and last time I looked, was considered proven in actual fact with jet aircraft. In Card's book, society put their finest general into a spaceship traveling as fast as their advanced technology could make it go so that he would stay young while the world passed through decades and centuries. When another military crisis came (they always do), he would be called back to save his people. He agreed.

Applications? I see a couple.

EVOLUTION: A being, or beings, who are "quickened" to near the speed of light could oversee and direct evolution or other natural processes that here extended over hundreds of millions of years in just a few of their days. Six, to be exact.

THE ATONEMENT: A being who was "slowed" (damned, dammed, nearly stalled) could live through hundreds, even thousands of years taking the sins of the whole world upon Himself, while only a few hours passed around him in the garden and on the cross.

In the end, we will find out that all truth can be circumscribed in one great whole - and I think science will finally catch up with revealed religion.
 
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The second law of thermodynamics only applies to isolated systems. The Earth is not an isolated system. It receives energy from the sun. Can I ask why you still go to this argument even though it's been shown to you on several occasions why it doesn't apply?

Exactly, it receives energy from the sun! This is an example of something finite, yes? Since there are many pockets of useful energy (for example, the sun), the universe must be finite in duration. Therefore, there was a beginning when the universe's useful energy was put into it "from the outside." Intelligent design strikes again.

Before new drugs are approved for human trials, they are tested on rats. Using the theory of evolution, we know we share a common ancestor with rats. This can be seen in the genomes, which are 85% similar. Rats suffer from similar diseases as we do. This is because we share the same basic physiology and similar organs. Our nervous system works in the same way and react similarly to infection and injuries.

I hate when evolutionists always use this as further proof or authenticity of evolution. Just because we're similar makes NO CASE that we were once from this animal or an ape or a monkey. Conversely, their DNA is equally as complicated as human DNA and also completely unique and different. So why are we all part dolphin, part monkey, part ape, part fish, part rat, etc? Yet there are no fossil records that complete these links together. If they're all found, then at what museum/university can we take a field trip to, to discover for ourselves the infallibility that we were all part of the same organism at some point? The more you tie humans to other animals, the more the burden of proof falls on the shoulders of evolutionists to tie all of these pieces together empirically.

Finally, the analogy of the court case is equally astounding considering the fact that you don't have as much evidence as you think. You say you're simply left without eyewitnesses, but the more science and biology advances to really explore the world of DNA and single-cell organisms and particles, you must concede there are more questions than answers. The fact is, science has no idea how evolution and cosmology tie together and how all these working parts were "randomly and non-intelligently created" from chance. Further, you warrant NO "gimmes" to the Christian community. You're either trolling or truly searching for answers. If you're truly searching for answers, then soften your heart to hear the truth. If you feel our truth is relative or based on some old book, then there's nothing further to talk about. It's apparent that atheists would love to rather troll Christians than any other faith because what sets us apart from everyone else is.....well God! If you deny the existence of God then your burden of proof is far more difficult than ours because we've given you ample amounts of evidence for intelligent design yet evolutionists cannot explain where the finite universe came from, who/what created it, and why it was created! And while science was forced to separate cosmology from biology because apparently the origins of the universe is way too difficult to answer with mere evolution, Christians know better. Faith is simply believing in what you cannot see.

Truthfully, there's a reason why Jesus didn't always perform miracles. Jesus, the Son of God, walked this earth, performed miracles and spoke the truth, yet there were still some skeptics and unbelievers that couldn't bring themselves to have faith in Jesus. You need proof, yet we had proof and still denied. We have proof to this day! Paul did say that people are foolish if they look all around them, see the glory of God and His creation, and still deny Him. You're right, they didn't have the technology we have today, but we still have people searching in all the wrong places for their answers and turning up empty-handed. The more science attempts to disprove God, the more gets explored and the more complicated it becomes to prove that God does not exist. In fact, the more we find out how complicated DNA is and why it's unique to every single person, the more we determine that this can only be the works of a Creator.
 
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Namely that evolutionists would rather entertain goo, an alien egg, a big bang theory.

Evolution doesn't have anything to say about the big bang theory. These are two different types of theories.
Where are you getting this goo and alien egg idea from? Are you building a strawman? Evolution explains the process of how we see all the diversity of life today. Abiogenesis is a separate study and is not a scientific theory yet.

entertaining the idea that there is intelligent design in everything around us. In DNA, in plants, in animals, in humans, etc. The more we learn about our surroundings, the more complicated we find it really is and it becomes harder and harder to believe that non-intelligence or matter simply composed everything and pieced everything together randomly.

You are committing the fallacy of argument from personal incredulity. "I don't understand how any of this is possible without an intelligent designer, therefore there is an intelligent designer". Do you know what else is complex? Snowflakes. We know that those are formed by natural processes.

The fact remains that evolution cannot be replicated in a laboratory and it's because of these aforementioned reasons...and logic for that matter.

This is not true. This is one of many experiments that have been observed in the lab.
"But sometime around the 31,500th generation, something dramatic happened in just one of the populations – the bacteria suddenly acquired the ability to metabolise citrate, a second nutrient in their culture medium that E. colinormally cannot use."
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14094-bacteria-make-major-evolutionary-shift-in-the-lab/

Experiments in nature have also been observed by moving 5 pairs of Italian wall lizards to a different island.
“Striking differences in head size and shape, increased bite strength and the development of new structures in the lizard’s digestive tracts were noted after only 36 years, which is an extremely short time scale,” says Duncan Irschick, a professor of biology at the University of Massachusetts Amherst"

"Examination of the lizard’s digestive tracts revealed something even more surprising. Eating more plants caused the development of new structures called cecal valves, designed to slow the passage of food by creating fermentation chambers in the gut, where microbes can break down the difficult to digest portion of plants".
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080417112433.htm

Finally, when did evolution become fact?

Well it's stood up to challenges for 150 years and the evidence has piled up to an overwhelming amount. It is one of the most substantiated theories in all of science.

Additionally, the reason for the zealousness of those like Richard Dawkins is because evolutionists/non-believers need to believe there is no God.

There is no requirement to reject a God to work in any field of science. In fact, there are many scientists that are Christian. Francis Collins is a devout Christian and he is a very well respected geneticist for the work he did on the human genome project. You should read his book "The Language of God" before you make assumptions that anyone who accepts evolution is automatically a non-believer. There are many Christians on this board who accept evolution as well.

I don't "Need to believe there is no God". I don't believe in God because I don't find the claims convincing. I would change my mind if verifiable and testable evidence was able to show that I was wrong.

With no God, who then can stand in the way of what you think is right or wrong?

Nobody. I decide what is moral or immoral. I have empathy and am able to recognize how my actions impact the people around me.
Who is God to tell you what is right or wrong? Am I right? So to answer your question, the overzealous belief in the Theory of evolution has to be dogmatic.

Evolution has nothing to do with morality. It's a science. Evolution is not a belief either. I don't say "I believe in evolution" I say "I understand evolution".

But again, mutations are factually destructive. They're not PRODUCTIVE.

What about the genetic mutation that people in Tibet have that allows them thrive in high altitudes and not succumb to altitude sickness? Is that destructive?

What about a genetic mutation of sickle cell anemia? It sounds destructive right? Well it also is resistant to malaria.

What about a genetic mutation seen in 20% of Causation populations that have a genetic mutation in gene ccr5 called delta 32 that makes them more resistant to HIV? 1% of Caucasians have two copies of this mutation, essentially making them immune to the HIV virus. Is this destructive?

In fact, 99.99% of mutations are destructive (I can't say 100% because that's just not science).

Most mutations are neutral. Negative mutations are eliminated from the gene pool by natural selection and those with the mutations best suited for the environment survive and reproduce.

The answer is God never intended for animals to kill each other or for any death to happen when He created the world in Genesis.

If God exists and is omniscient, then he would already know what the results of a creation would be beforehand. If he didn't intend for death to happen but knew it would anyway and still went forward with it, then he is responsible for it.
 
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Evolution can't support both atheism and theistic evolution?
I'm saying that people don't choose evolution because it supports their theism or atheism. They accept it because the evidence supports it.
 
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They accept it because the evidence supports it.
Evidence supported Thalidomide as a prenatal wonder drug.

Evidence supported Phlogiston theory.

Evidence supported the Deepwater Horizon.

Evidence supported the Titanic as unsinkable.

Evidence supported Pluto as our 9th planet.
 
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a fish is still a fish
Is it still a fish when it also has lungs that breath air, and has legs that it walks around on and can climb trees? Or is that something in the middle of becoming something else?

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I'm saying that people don't choose evolution because it supports their theism or atheism. They accept it because the evidence supports it.
Plus it's shoved down our throats in the schools and the media. Oh yes, an lest I forget, the creative editing" going on in our society currently.
 
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And where do these numbers come from? And please don't just say science. How was this measurable? Which textbook or Popular Science Magazine was this quoted from? I'd really be impressed that a scientist would be able to empirically and unquestionably arrive at the conclusion that there were, in fact, variations in oxygen levels on earth! And how could they arrive at the fact it was 300 million years ago?
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I'm talking about the Earth as we know it today and as it is and has been in order to sustain life since the beginning. So please, enlighten me. Where did this tidbit of information come from? How do we know it got as high as 35% and as little as 15%?

http://www.pnas.org/content/96/20/10955.long

From the abstract:

It is quite possible that the level of atmospheric oxygen has varied (roughly between 15 and 30% O2) over the past 550 million years. This variation is suggested by modeling of the carbon and sulfur cycles, by the excessive sediment burial of organic matter that accompanied the advent of large vascular land plants, and by recent physiological studies that relate to biological evolution.

From the same article, we have this diagram:

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Then, we can look the research using geochemical data, such as analysis of chromium isotopes in banded iron formations and sulfur isotopes. There's lots of information on this:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v461/n7261/full/nature08266.html#B1
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/317/5846/1900.short
http://www.nature.com/nature/journa...essage-global=remove&WT.ec_id=NATURE-20130926
http://www.pnas.org/content/112/3/707.abstract

Namely that evolutionists would rather entertain goo, an alien egg, a big bang theory, or something else other than entertaining the idea that there is intelligent design in everything around us.

None of those things are required if you want to be an atheist. Its just non-acceptance of the claims of theism.

Again, name a piece of dogma for atheists (other than the obvious non-belief part).

Finally, when did evolution become fact?

Evolution is a fact, an ongoing fact. Always has been, always will be, as long as there is life around.

Evolution became a fact in the common sense when it became well substantiated enough that all valid scientific opposition to it disappeared. And, no, I don't accept either ID or creationism as valid scientific opposition.

So to answer your question, the overzealous belief in the Theory of evolution has to be dogmatic.

Explain to me the difference between following:
The common use of the word 'theory'
The scientific use of the word 'theory'

The answer the question: Why is evolution both a theory and a fact?

In fact, 99.99% of mutations are destructive (I can't say 100% because that's just not science).

You have somewhere between 60 and 160 mutations in your genome, compared to the genomes of your parents. Are they virtually all destructive?

The distribution of fitness effects (DFE) - beneficial, deleterious, or neutral - of new mutations is highly variable. I'll quote this Nature study to give a response:

The proportion of mutations that are advantageous, effectively neutral and deleterious varies between species, and the DFE differs between coding and non-coding DNA. Despite these differences between species and genomic regions, some general principles have emerged: advantageous mutations are rare, and those that are strongly selected are exponentially distributed; and the DFE of deleterious mutations is complex and multi-modal.
 
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