Could anyone tell me if this is true?

[The Barbarian]

Muslims are no creationists.

Like Christians, the fundamentalist Muslims are creationists. ISIS has banned Darwin from schools they control.

The second most creationist nation in the word, after the U.S., is Turkey.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why would you feel inclined to do this?

Well, if I'm not allowed to own my own children ... who is allowed to own them?

And what does this have to do with owning people as property?

Nothing.

Owning people as property is something God put an end to 19th century America.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ah, you should stop rejecting the increased knowledge we now have, and accept the fact of evolution.

No, thanks.

A thousand facts about evolution isn't even worth one fact of theology.

 

[AV1611VET]

The evidence for evolution really happening is vast and decisive.

And full of missing parts.

 

[Itinerant Lurker]

Well, if I'm not allowed to own my own children ... who is allowed to own them?

You do not legally own your children as property, because they are people. For example, you will note that you are not going to be allowed to beat your child with a rod as long as they can get up within two days.

Owning people as property is something God put an end to 19th century America.

No, people put an end to it.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, people put an end to it.

God gets the credit.

That's how it works.

 

[Itinerant Lurker]

God gets the credit.

That's how it works.

That's how some people decide to think about it. Unfortunately, this does not change the facts that God did not do away with slavery - people did.

A lack of knowledge is something I can help you with; a desire to be wrong is not.

 

[AV1611VET]

That's how some people decide to think about it.

That is correct.

And I am one of them.

Unfortunately, this does not change the facts that God did not do away with slavery - people did.

And Hitler never killed any Jews, did he?

 

[Subduction Zone]

That is correct.

And I am one of them.And Hitler never killed any Jews, did he?

Why did you bring up Hitler? He was one of you guys.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why did you bring up Hitler?

Hitler is a negative example, but an effective one.

He is given credit for doing something he ordered others to do.

As I said:

That's how it works.

If God wanted to put an end to slavery, and He chose to use human resources to do it -- so be it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hitler is a negative example, but an effective one.

He is given credit for doing something he ordered others to do.

As I said:

That's how it works.

If God wanted to put an end to slavery, and He chose to use human resources to do it -- so be it.

Sorry, this is nonsensical. You give your God credit for the good and let him off for his evil works. You can't have it both ways and be reasonable.

 

[juvenissun]

Obfuscating simply will not help you. God specifically gives permission for masters to beat their slaves. As the slave owners of the south argued, every single one of the writers of the bible was familiar with slavery, yet every time it is explicitly mentioned in the bible the institution is affirmed. You or I could have cleared this up with a single sentence - that God chose not to is telling.

A lack of knowledge is something I can help you with; a desire to be wrong is not.

No. Nowhere in the Bible says that.

 

[juvenissun]

Like Christians, the fundamentalist Muslims are creationists. ISIS has banned Darwin from schools they control.

The second most creationist nation in the word, after the U.S., is Turkey.

The story of Adam and Eve is different in Islaam. So, they are NOT the creationists as Christians are.

 

[DrBubbaLove]

The theory of evolution is the scientific explanation for the fact of evolution. Evolution really happened . . . and we have a theory to explain how.

The evidence for evolution really happening is vast and decisive.

I don't disagree that there is a lot of evidence to suggest indeed that things have evolved. But that does not mean that someone wanting to see our reality as being possible without making God necessary should be allowed in discussions with those who disagree to overstate the ability of a theory to explain the reality we observe. And neither should YEC or OEC or theistic evolutionist be allowed to overstate their position against a godless evolution. No side in such discussions should be acting like we have now or ever will have all the answers (in this life). And the Christians should not be getting all squeamish that a thirst/search for knowledge represents a challenge to their Faith (which is not blind but comes from God as a Gift).

After all He is the Truth and has Perfect Knowledge, so any search for real Truth, real Knowledge is a actually a search for Him. Whether the person looking for Knowledge acknowledges Him or not, the Christian can only look at such a longing as something that has God as it's object, IOW what is longed for is God. Having that longing in all of us for "knowledge" goes hand in hand with His having made us to "know" Him. So at least try to be civil in these discussions, everyone and some Christians need to chill out about their Faith. God gave it to you and in spite of what you may think or have been taught, nothing science can "prove" is going to take that away.

http://www.strangenotions.com/god-professors-and-evolutionary-biology-classes/

 

[AV1611VET]

Sorry, this is nonsensical.

No need to apologize.

I know where you're coming from.

You give your God credit for the good and let him off for his evil works.

Really?

Noah caused it to rain, did he?

The Jews just decided to walk out of Jerusalem and go to Babylon, did they?

In fact, if you know anything about dispensational theology, you'll realize that there are seven dispensations of time.

Each one starts with an expectation of God, and ends in man's failure and God's judgment.

The judgments are as follows:

1. Innocence = expulsion from Eden
2. Consciousness = the Flood
3. Human Government = the tower of Babel incident
4. Promise = Egyptian captivity
5. Law = Jesus' [vicarious] crucifixion
6. Grace = Tribulation period
7. Kingdom = Great White Throne Judgment

So God is back on the hook for these "evil works."

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Feel better now? or did that just make things worse for you?

You can't have it both ways and be reasonable.

I have a feeling you're the one who thinks we're having it both ways.

 

[The Barbarian]

Barbarian observes:
Like Christians, the fundamentalist Muslims are creationists. ISIS has banned Darwin from schools they control.

The second most creationist nation in the word, after the U.S., is Turkey.

The story of Adam and Eve is different in Islaam. So, they are NOT the creationists as Christians are.

The story of Adam and Eve is different in creationism than it is in the Bible. But Christians can still be creationists. Likewise, so can Muslims.

 

[AV1611VET]

But Christians can still be creationists. Likewise, so can Muslims.

Yes ...

Christianity, Judaism, and Islam believe in creationism.

 

[DrBubbaLove]

Yes ...

Christianity, Judaism, and Islam believe in creationism.

The last statement is only true depending on any limits one has placed on the meaning of creationism.
For example, if it excludes the possibility that the earth could be very old or if it excludes the possibility that God could have allowed the appearance of our bodies (obviously NOT souls) to result from evolution; then it is an overstatement of reality. The Christian taking a position which is overstating is just as dangerous and wrong as the atheist overstating what they think it means to believe evolution makes such a result. Neither position is correct. Believing evolution to be responsible for our appearance does not exclude the reality that there is a God, no matter what the atheist says or thinks.

A Christian that believes their Faith (a gift from God) depends or hinges on a rejection of evolution does not understand that their Faith is a Gift from God. Receiving a Gift from God is not a result of some intellectual process by which a person blindly come to believe in God or blindly think their Faith would be dashed if a theory of science was accepted by them. It is only a Christian's blind faith that evolution must be false (or an atheist blind faith in it) that is in jeopardy here. So everyone on all sides needs to get over that hump of their blind faith.

Acknowledging the fact that God created everything is not mutually exclusive with evolution and that it true whether the one claiming either is exclusive of the other is an atheist or a Christian.

 

[AV1611VET]

The last statement is only true depending on any limits one has placed on the meaning of creationism.
For example, if it excludes the possibility that the earth could be very old or if it excludes the possibility that God could have allowed the appearance of our bodies (obviously NOT souls) to result from evolution; then it is an overstatement of reality. The Christian taking a position which is overstating is just as dangerous and wrong as the atheist overstating what they think it means to believe evolution makes such a result. Neither position is correct. Believing evolution to be responsible for our appearance does not exclude the reality that there is a God, no matter what the atheist says or thinks.

A Christian that believes their Faith (a gift from God) depends or hinges on a rejection of evolution does not understand that their Faith is a Gift from God. Receiving a Gift from God is not a result of some intellectual process by which a person blindly come to believe in God or blindly think their Faith would be dashed if a theory of science was accepted by them. It is only a Christian's blind faith that evolution must be false (or an atheist blind faith in it) that is in jeopardy here. So everyone on all sides needs to get over that hump of their blind faith.

Acknowledging the fact that God created everything is not mutually exclusive with evolution and that it true whether the one claiming either is exclusive of the other is an atheist or a Christian.

Do I need to start watching The Three Stooges so I can understand your posts?

I hope not!

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Well, if I'm not allowed to own my own children ... who is allowed to own them?Nothing.

Owning people as property is something God put an end to 19th century America.

Exactly. You don't even own your own children . . . you have stewardship over them for a while.