How is Once Saved Always Saved not a license to sin? (moved)

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I said I believe there is one gospel. That is an unambiguous statement.

Okay. Copy that. I just said it because Mid Acts Dispensationalists like to quote the part of Scripture "Rightly divide" as if it somehow explains everything that they say and teach (When it really doesn't explain everything).


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[John Robie]

In addition to Matthew 7, Jesus also said,

"He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:48).

Did you catch that? Jesus said if we do not receive His words, then that very word that He had spoken will judge us on the last day.


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Yes. I've read that.

 

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But you bring up texts at random and ignore other texts brought up. If I take the time to explain them, then we've gone off track once again.

Don't do it for me. Do it for others (Who may be reading) and show them the truth.

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Yes. I've read that.

And what do you make of Jesus saying to those believers to depart from Him for those who work lawlessness?


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[John Robie]

Don't do it for me. Do it for others (Who may be reading) and show them the truth.

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If the past is any indication, you will not listen, or interact, but will instead find some other text that you feel is relevant. That is not how discussions work.

 

[John Robie]

Okay. Copy that. I just said it because Mid Acts Dispensationalists like to quote the part of Scripture "Rightly divide" as if it somehow explains everything that they say and teach (When it really doesn't explain everything).


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I say rightly divide because it's in scripture.

 

[John Robie]

And what do you make of Jesus saying to those believers to depart from Him for those who work lawlessness?


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What believers? If He doesn't know them, they are not believers.

 

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I say rightly divide because it's in scripture.

But yet it is not a verse that you can use so as not to explain the verses I brought up, though.


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What believers? If He doesn't know them, they are not believers.

They appear to be believers according to this passage.

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"

For there are those who preach another Jesus or Christ. Surely they believe in Jesus, too. It is just not the Jesus of the Bible, though.

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If the past is any indication, you will not listen, or interact, but will instead find some other text that you feel is relevant. That is not how discussions work.

Discussion is what you have not done. I have brought forth texts that you have refused to explain.

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[John Robie]

But yet it is not a verse that you can use so as not to explain the verses I brought up, though.


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It does inform you to not cut and paste verses together as you do.

 

[John Robie]

They appear to be believers according to this passage.

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"

For there are those who preach another Jesus or Christ. Surely they believe in Jesus, too. It is just not the Jesus of the Bible, though.

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They said they were believers. Christ said otherwise.

 

[John Robie]

Discussion is what you have not done. I have brought forth texts that you have refused to explain.

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I'm still waiting for you to deal with my initial argument.

 

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It does inform you to not cut and paste verses together as you do.

Show me that I have done so by way of the context.


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I'm still waiting for you to deal with my initial argument.

I already have. Ephesians 1:3-5 explains it.


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[John Robie]

I already have. Ephesians 1:3-5 explains it.


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How so?

 

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The grace of God teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts.

"For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;" (Titus 2:11-12).


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"And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that OBEY him;" (Hebrews 5:9).

In other words, there is nothing in Scripture about how we can be disobedient towards our LORD and still be saved. It doesn't work like that.


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[John Robie]

The grace of God teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts.

"For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;" (Titus 2:11-12).


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Yep.

 

[John Robie]

"And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that OBEY him;" (Hebrews 5:9).

In other words, there is nothing in Scripture about how we can be disobedient towards our LORD and still be saved. It doesn't work like that.


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Then you are without hope.