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If you want to know what an atheist is you ask an atheist. You do not go to a dictionary written largely by Christians. Would you go to a Muslim for a definition of what a Christian is?

Please at least try to be reasonable.

Then why did you not provide a link to the correct definition then? Instead of making a comment that served no purpose? I'd list one - but that might not be the proper one either I guess. So, which one is? Or is it just your definition we are to take?
 
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Those Coelacanth are no more different species than the Husky and the Mastiff. Or an Asian and an African. This is what you continually refuse to accept. All observations of how life propagates. Over and over you refuse to apply what is observed to what we find. They are no more a separate species from one another - than are those Finches that produced fertile offspring while they watched.
You have evidence to support that the fossil Coelacanth and the modern Coelacanth are the same species?

Only because you ignore observational evidence and your own scientific definitions can your claims hold up in your own mind.
Since he agrees with over 99% of all biologists and paleontologists, you must think that they also ignore observational evidence. What are your credentials in biology and paleontology, such that you can make this incredible claim against the majority of scientists in those fields of study?
 
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Those Coelacanth are no more different species than the Husky and the Mastiff. Or an Asian and an African. This is what you continually refuse to accept. All observations of how life propagates. Over and over you refuse to apply what is observed to what we find. They are no more a separate species from one another - than are those Finches that produced fertile offspring while they watched.

Only because you ignore observational evidence and your own scientific definitions can your claims hold up in your own mind.
Wrong again. Please, repeating an error when it is pointed out to you only makes the fact that you are ignorant and afraid to learn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coelacanth

The coelacanths ( i/ˈsiːləkænθ/see-lə-kanth) constitute a now rare order of fish that includes two extant species in the genus Latimeria: the West Indian Ocean coelacanth (Latimeria chalumnae) and the Indonesian coelacanth (Latimeria menadoensis). They follow the oldest known living lineage of Sarcopterygii (lobe-finned fish and tetrapods), which means they are more closely related to lungfish, reptiles and mammals than to the common ray-finned fishes. They are found along the coastlines of the Indian Ocean and Indonesia.[2][3] Since there are only two species of coelacanth and both are threatened, it is the most endangered order of animals in the world. The West Indian Ocean coelacanth is a critically endangered species.
The following is a classification of known coelacanth genera and families:[4][8][21][26][27][28][29]

 
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Then why did you not provide a link to the correct definition then? Instead of making a comment that served no purpose? I'd list one - but that might not be the proper one either I guess. So, which one is? Or is it just your definition we are to take?
I gave you a suggestion on what to do, you could not do this yourself?:

http://atheists.org/activism/resources/what-is-atheism?

'Atheism is usually defined incorrectly as a belief system. Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods. Older dictionaries define atheism as "a belief that there is no God." Some dictionaries even go so far as to define Atheism as "wickedness," "sinfulness," and other derogatory adjectives. Clearly, theistic influence taints dictionaries. People cannot trust these dictionaries to define atheism. The fact that dictionaries define Atheism as "there is no God" betrays the (mono)theistic influence. Without the (mono)theistic influence, the definition would at least read "there are no gods." '

Did you notice that your definition had the error that this article points out? It said that atheism is "a person who believes that God does not exist". They tipped their hand without knowing it when they used that definition. They showed their bias.
 
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He proposed the theory of the expansion of the universe, widely misattributed to Edwin Hubble. He was the first to derive what is now known as Hubble's law and made the first estimation of what is now called the Hubble constant, which he published in 1927, two years before Hubble's article.
Lemaître (1927) actually estimated the 'Hubble constant from the radial velocity and distance measurements of Strömberg (1925) and Hubble.
To quote from Lemaître's 1927 paper,
The radial velocities of 43 extragalactic nebulae are given by Strömberg.

The apparent magnitude m of these nebulae is found in the work of Hubble. It is possible from this to deduce their distance, since Hubble has shown that the extragalactic nebulae have effectively equal absolute magnitudes (M = -15.2±2), the distance r expressed in parsecs is then given by the formula log r = 0.2m + 4.04.

One finds a distance of the order of one million parsecs, varying from a few tenths to 3.3 Mpc. ....

Using the 42 nebulae that appear in the lists of Hubble and Strömberg, and allowing for the proper motion of the Sun (300 km/s in the direction Right Ascension = 315°, Declination = +62°), one finds a mean distance of 0.95 Mpc and a radial velocity of 600 km/s, that is 625 km/s/Mpc.
You will see that Lemaître's estimate is empirical, not theoretical, and that it is as much based on the radial velocity and distance measurements of Strömberg and Hubble as Hubble's 1929 estimate of 525 km/s/Mpc; in other words, it is not an independent measurement.
 
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Oxford English Dictionary Definition of Atheist...
athe·ist / Ñ 'eITiIst; NAmE Ñ / noun
a person who believes that God does not exist

So, it is a belief that God does not exist. OK, so if God does not exist then as I said, the Atheist has to come up with some alternative (and credible) explanation for how the universe and subsequent life got started. I aint seen any sign of that to date. You are of course, free to believe non-divine miracles (e.g., the Big Bang), but I prefer to put my trust in God who revealed Himself by coming to earth in the form of a man (Jesus) and who taught us that He is the one who created everything ex-nihilo.


That's still incorrect. An atheist does not believe in any god claims - not just the one you believe in. ALL of them.

An Atheist does not have to come up with an alternative at all - you are again incorrect in that assertion.
 
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Within the paradigm of Evolution, more intelligent creatures evolved from less intelligent creatures. There are no scientific challenges to this theory. Therefore, science says that intelligence can be created.

You will need to provide your sources for this intelligence theory you are inventing.
And an unchallenged theory is not a theory. It's just a whim.
 
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You simply arbitrarily pick a point in the Darwininistic evolutionary tree and make the claim of humans being apes. I can do the same thing with humans being a different form of banana...or a banana being a different form of human.
For that matter let's make a human just a different form of a pig. We do currently use pig heart transplants and pig skin in the medical field.
 
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When are you collecting your Nobel prize?
Owned by Evolutionists, judged by Evolutionists, and if you dare insult or bring proof against their precious "Darwinian Evolution" dynasty there will be hell to pay and your funding will cease to exist.
 
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Owned by Evolutionists, judged by Evolutionists, and if you dare insult or bring proof against their precious "Darwinian Evolution" dynasty there will be hell to pay and your funding will cease to exist.

So basically what you have doesn't stand up to scrutiny? Thought so.
 
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Let's look at those.

  • Objective observation: Measurement and data (possibly although not necessarily using mathematics as a tool)

So we observe an Asian mate with an African and produce an Afro-Asian. We observe a Husky mate with a Mastiff and produce a Chinook. Yet you ignore the observations and propose a process never once observed, that of one creature evolving into another.

  • Evidence

So you call Darwin's Finches that are interbreeding and producing fertile offspring before your very eyes separate species - against your own definition of species.

  • Experiment and/or observation as benchmarks for testing hypotheses

So you ignore the only experimental "Benchmark" evidence done with actual breeding or pollinating animals and plants in the last 200+ years.

http://www.weloennig.de/Loennig-Long-Version-of-Law-of-Recurrent-Variation.pdf

  • Induction: reasoning to establish general rules or conclusions drawn from facts or examples

So you ignore that only when you observe infraspecific taxa mate with other infraspecific taxa (Asian/African; Husky/Mastiff, etc) do you get variation within the species. Instead you classify for example these:

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as separate species - when all observations say the logical conclusion is that they are merely different infraspecific taxa within the species as are these:

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And that others you wrongly classified even when they were babies and adults of the same species.


  • Repetition

Which showed you when mutation is involved - the same limited forms are produced over and over - see link above under experiments.

  • Critical analysis

Still waiting for that from people that watch birds produce fertile offspring in front of their eyes and think its ok to call them separate species.
EDIT: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/species

" 2. Biology. the major subdivision of a genus or subgenus, regarded as the basic category of biological classification, composed of related individuals that resemble one another, are able to breed among themselves, but are not able to breed with members of another species."

  • Verification and testing: critical exposure to scrutiny, peer review and assessment
As stated above - all the testing with actual mutation in reproducing life falsified the theory. I see no scrutiny or logical deductions.

I see ignoring the key results - that E coli after billions of generations and billions of mutations - remained E coli - and always will.

Just as Asian will remain Asian and African will remain African (EDIT: and T-Rex remained T-Rex from the oldest fossil to the youngest fossil found) - and only when two infraspecific taxa mate will a new infraspecific taxa (Afro-Asian) come into the record. Suddenly - with no transitory species between them and the prior generation. There is no need to propose Fairie Dust transitory species - when all observations show they do not exist and are not needed; when and if one finally accepts how life actually reproduces itself.

Your weird obsession with the classification of breeds and species does nothing to address what I posted. Why do you think nature should conform neatly to man made classifications? Maybe if the 'kinds' had been created as Genesis suggests it would, but that isn't the case is it?

My post was rebuttal to someone who said that the Theory of Evolution was not science, I replied with a short definition of science from the Science Council:

Science is the pursuit and application of knowledge and understanding of the natural and social world following a systematic methodology based on evidence.

That is applicable to the TOE and none of your response refutes that, your strange ideas of what you think they're doing is neither here nor there.
 
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You have evidence to support that the fossil Coelacanth and the modern Coelacanth are the same species?

Since he agrees with over 99% of all biologists and paleontologists, you must think that they also ignore observational evidence. What are your credentials in biology and paleontology, such that you can make this incredible claim against the majority of scientists in those fields of study?

Strawman tactics now?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

You all swore once they were extinct - they were wrong.

They told us it was fact they were a transitory species between land and water - they were wrong.

Yet now you insist because the majority tells us something else they are right - even if in every single case where they have done so they have been wrong.

Imagine that.


It seems all creationist have is, nothing can come from nothing unless magic is involved, then everything can come from nothing.

And what did your universe come from? Oh, that's right - you have not a clue - you just know how it didn't happen, right?

Your entire universe belief system came from a priest in case you didn't know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lemaître

"was a Belgian priest, astronomer and professor of physics at the Catholic University of Leuven. He proposed the theory of the expansion of the universe, widely misattributed to Edwin Hubble. He was the first to derive what is now known as Hubble's law and made the first estimation of what is now called the Hubble constant, which he published in 1927, two years before Hubble's article. Lemaître also proposed what became known as the Big Bang theory of the origin of the Universe, which he called his "hypothesis of the primeval atom" or the "Cosmic Egg"."

You people could at lease be honest and quit giving credit to Hubble, When it was a priest that gave you everything you currently believe in. What, ashamed of where your beliefs originated from?


The fallacy of special pleading is one of the prominent fallacies that creationists use.

Then why do you all keep using those fallacies????

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

No one here has mentioned magic but you - nor requires it but you with your 95% Fairie Dust.

And by the way - where is your "proper" definition of species? You think you are going to avoid this? I think not. Before the day is out we are all going to see you cant even abide by your own definitions. Or is that why you are refusing to give your link - out of fear, because you know what it says - even if you refuse to follow it?
 
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We don't know how the universe got started.
We do.
Loudmouth said:
That isn't evidence that it came about by magical poofing
But it is evidence of Biblical disbelief.
Loudmouth said:
When has a God of the Gaps ever made sense?
When that god plays connect-the-dots with evolution and fills in their missing links by simply drawing a line over (not around, but over) them.
 
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The Coelacanth was thought to be extinct. They were wrong.
So much for the accuracy of evidence then.

Just curious, what led to the assumption that they went extinct?

Was it assumed on principle?

What part did the scientific method play in leading to that conclusion?
 
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If you want to know what an atheist is you ask an atheist. You do not go to a dictionary written largely by Christians. Would you go to a Muslim for a definition of what a Christian is?

Please at least try to be reasonable.
Is that why scientists think Hitler was a Christian?

With respect to your advice, or in spite of your advice?
 
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