The origins of atheism

[anonymous person]

Why do you think "religion" is s pejorative term, then?

I don't think it is necessarily a pejorative term.

 

[anonymous person]

As I indicated in our conversation, the answers to the questions I posed to you were critical to establishing your honesty in discussing these matters.

Ok. And I failed your test. You can do what you will with the test results.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Ok. And I failed your test. You can do what you will with the test results.

The test results bring into question your call for greater transparency.

 

[Freodin]

That's just it. I have no desire to boast or brag. The only reason I'm engaging you is to hopefully help you understand why I believe what I believe. Atheists are always asking for reasons to believe, but when we give them, they don't want those reasons.

You might want to go back, waaaay back in this thread... let's say post #2162. You can go back further if you like... it started around there.

See, what you completely ignore here - and I assert that your worldview compels you to ignore it - is the cognitive dissonance that you are showing here.

Atheists are always asking for reasons to believe, but when you give them, they don't want them?

False! I provided you with my reasons to believe, very similar to your reasons... and you "didn't want them" anymore. They are good enough for you, but not for me.

And then we started this whole debate where you constantly claimed that I was wrong, and that I was wrong, and that an example of me being wrong was that I was wrong.

You presented several lines from your "reasons to believe" that I have shown to be false. Your responses to that were a repetition of the claim that I was wrong.

It was you asking "for reasons"... I gave them, and you discarded them.

My hope is that if an atheist can understand why Christians hold their beliefs so strongly they might find Christianity has value that they can't find anywhere else and begin to investigate this Jesus guy with an open mind.

You think my arguments are irrational and I am wrong for presenting them. You unnecessarily connected with with the utmost evil that your worldview could present. You presented Holy Scripture - the source of truth in your worldview - to "expose" my (and other atheists) base motives in having such discussions.

You haven't shown any kind of understanding for my position, any hint that you would be willing to accept them even for the sake of the debate.

You have done nothing to show that you are taking me serious, as an intelligent human being having a conversation. You have already made up your mind about me (and likes): we are nothing but people to "find Christianity".... and if we don't dance to that tune, we are "people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth".

Do you really think that this is a good way to make us "find value" in Christianity? A religion of a bunch of people who literally demonize everyone who disagrees with them?

Why do you engage in these discussions? Is it the desire to understand that drives you? Or is it something else that drives you?

You presented reasons for your beliefs. So did I. If you cannot accept my reasons... why should I accept yours?

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, I wasn´t exactly tempted to consider you one.

For you to think otherwise of me would mean you're doing it in spite of your craft, not with respect to it.

 

[bhsmte]

Yes that is right. Which means that one third is. Can you tell me how many atheists there are? One third???

And christianity is having a renaissance and the numbers converting to christianity is slowly but definitely increasing as I said in my post. A quote in the book was that the conversion to Christ by muslims in the numbers it is has not been known up to this point.

so what does that mean. Christianity is growing at a rate of knots especially when your implacable enemy is embracing it as it is.

But don't worry. You go ahead and convince yourself that christianity is dying if it make you happy.

I didn't say Christianity was dying. I stated, Christianity has been slowly declining the world over for several decades. Numerous studies on the matter support this.

 

[anonymous person]

The test results bring into question your call for greater transparency.

Is there anything else? Go ahead and get it out of your system.

 

[HitchSlap]

Indeed.

Hebrews 11:24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;

I refuse to consider myself a Homo sapiens (wise man).

Let the wizards (wise ones) handle their own philosophy.

See post #2539

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Is there anything else? Go ahead and get it out of your system.

I see you have little intention of taking it seriously.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

I see you have little intention of taking it seriously.

I've found that acting pious after getting caught is the go-to play for many theists...

 

[anonymous person]

I see you have little intention of taking it seriously.

On the contrary, I am very serious.

 

[anonymous person]

I've found that acting pious after getting caught is the go-to play for many theists...

Anything else? Go ahead and get it out of your system.

It has been said that I'm pious, I've been caught in deception, I'm dishonest.

Is there anything else that anyone thinks that I am? Please tell me.

 

[bhsmte]

Anything else? Go ahead and get it out of your system.

It has been said that I'm pious, I've been caught in deception, I'm dishonest.

Is there anything else that anyone thinks that I am? Please tell me.

People have made observations based on your posts. Have any specific comments about those observations?

 

[Chriliman]

You might want to go back, waaaay back in this thread... let's say post #2162. You can go back further if you like... it started around there.

See, what you completely ignore here - and I assert that your worldview compels you to ignore it - is the cognitive dissonance that you are showing here.

Atheists are always asking for reasons to believe, but when you give them, they don't want them?

False! I provided you with my reasons to believe, very similar to your reasons... and you "didn't want them" anymore. They are good enough for you, but not for me.

And then we started this whole debate where you constantly claimed that I was wrong, and that I was wrong, and that an example of me being wrong was that I was wrong.

You presented several lines from your "reasons to believe" that I have shown to be false. Your responses to that were a repetition of the claim that I was wrong.

It was you asking "for reasons"... I gave them, and you discarded them.


You think my arguments are irrational and I am wrong for presenting them. You unnecessarily connected with with the utmost evil that your worldview could present. You presented Holy Scripture - the source of truth in your worldview - to "expose" my (and other atheists) base motives in having such discussions.

You haven't shown any kind of understanding for my position, any hint that you would be willing to accept them even for the sake of the debate.

You have done nothing to show that you are taking me serious, as an intelligent human being having a conversation. You have already made up your mind about me (and likes): we are nothing but people to "find Christianity".... and if we don't dance to that tune, we are "people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth".

Do you really think that this is a good way to make us "find value" in Christianity? A religion of a bunch of people who literally demonize everyone who disagrees with them?


You presented reasons for your beliefs. So did I. If you cannot accept my reasons... why should I accept yours?

I do understand why you feel Christians demonize you for disagreeing with them. That is wrong for Christians to do that, you're right there. Christians should always try to love first and a part of loving is understanding why someone feels the way they feel and helping them find peace.

I believe you feel you have peace, you don't think you need God. Yet you're here where Christians reside, trying to tell us how we are wrong. Since you're here trying to tell us why we're wrong, do you expect us to not defend our beliefs? However, there does come a point where it is pointless to defend and just let God do what He does. This is that point for me. I can defend myself, but I don't need to defend God because He's more than capable of doing that Himself.

At what point does it become pointless to defend your own beliefs?

 

[anonymous person]

People have made observations based on your posts. Have any specific comments about those observations?

I disagree with them and have elaborated as to why.

But that is not really important to me. What is important to me is that I offer you and anyone else that will avail themselves of it, to call me what you will, say what you will and get it all out of your system. I won't be offended and you all can relieve some of that built up anger and stress.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I disagree with them and have elaborated as to why.

But that is not really important to me. What is important to me is that I offer you and anyone else that will avail themselves of it, to call me what you will, say what you will and get it all out of your system. I won't be offended and you all can relieve some of that built up anger and stress.

You seem to be under the erroneous impression that they come from anger and stress.

 

[anonymous person]

You seem to be under the erroneous impression that they come from anger and stress.

See, that's it!

Let it all out. I'm in error. That's a good one.

Anything else? Anyone?

I'm deceitful, in error, deceptive and.....

 

[Archaeopteryx]

See, that's it!

Let it all out. I'm in error. That's a good one.

What's it? Let out all what?

 

[HitchSlap]

At what point does it become pointless to defend your own beliefs?

What's the point of holding beliefs you can't logically defend?

 

[Loudmouth]

Religion is totally unimportant to me. What I major on is my faith in God.

Faith in God is a religion.

I don't need religion for that as it is a one to one relationship which I can enjoy anywhere, anytime and without interruption.

Interaction with a deity is defined as religion.

The scriptures say to pray without ceasing. That is me. I am talking to God all the time and he is talking to me all the time. If I want to know anything I just ask God and he gives me the answer.

Really? I am thinking that this isn't true.

I have just written down a number. Since God is supposedly everywhere and all knowing, why don't you ask God what that number is.

I am guessing that "God" will somehow know only the things you know.

That is the trouble with atheists. They have this strange notion that religion is where God is at. That could not be further from the truth. God did away with religion at the cross.

The crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus is the foundation of the Christian religion.

When Jesus rose from the dead, the curtain that separated the holy of holies which only the high priest was allowed to go into once a year by tearing it from top to bottom which was an indication that God was now available to everyone.

Interacting with a deity is defined as religion.