The origins of atheism

[bhsmte]

It's impossible to have knowledge of the nonexistence of anything including God. Try again.

On the contrary, if one has a list of traits of this God, as basic Christian theology provides, one can certainly look at the well evidence realities of our universe and make a determination how likely it is, this God exists.

In regards to a non personal God, absent any traits to go off of, then it would be a different story.

 

[Freodin]

It's impossible to have knowledge of the nonexistence of anything including God. Try again.

But the demonstration of this truth goes to the core of my being, it is undeniable. You cannot evade that by simply denying it.

You would have to demonstrate it.

 

[Chriliman]

But the demonstration of this truth goes to the core of my being, it is undeniable. You cannot evade that by simply denying it.

You would have to demonstrate it.

Something's going to the core of your being, that's for sure. I don't need to deny it, I can simply rely on what is actually true. Right now it's true that you can't possibly have knowledge of the nonexistence of anything, including God.

 

[Chriliman]

On the contrary, if one has a list of traits of this God, as basic Christian theology provides, one can certainly look at the well evidence realities of our universe and make a determination how likely it is, this God exists.

In regards to a non personal God, absent any traits to go off of, then it would be a different story.

Knowing God does not exist and thinking about the likelihood of His existence are completely different.

 

[Colter]

I really don't have a dog in this race, but choosing one fictitious book over another based on the fact that it ostensibly resembles reality is folly, IMO.

You haven't even read the UB so your opinion is from silence.

 

[bhsmte]

Knowing God does not exist and thinking about the likelihood of His existence are completely different.

Just as you can't say that the God Thor, does not exist.

You know, proving a negative and all.

 

[Colter]

You're the one saying that religious activities happen in the minds of believers.

Well, yes, in mind. Science is an observation made by minds. Or does it happen somewhere else in your body?

 

[Freodin]

Something's going to the core of your being, that's for sure. I don't need to deny it, I can simply rely on what is actually true. Right now it's true that you can't possibly have knowledge of the nonexistence of anything, including God.

You say that, so you don't have to confront my argument. But as long as you cannot demonstrate that, my claim is as good as yours.

You cannot deny the possiblity of me having the knowledge of the nonexistence of God. Thus, it is as reasonable for me to claim that I do as it is for you to claim that I don't.

 

[Chriliman]

Just as you can't say that the God Thor, does not exist.

You know, proving a negative and all.

At best Thor exists inside the human mind. Truth exists independent of the human mind and it's truth I rely on.

God is Truth, get it?

 

[Chriliman]

You say that, so you don't have to confront my argument. But as long as you cannot demonstrate that, my claim is as good as yours.

You cannot deny the possiblity of me having the knowledge of the nonexistence of God. Thus, it is as reasonable for me to claim that I do as it is for you to claim that I don't.

But is it the truth, that's the question.

 

[ScottA]

To answer your questions...sure, my wife.

As for "contingent requirements"....there's only one when it comes to the passing of knowledge from one person to the next, they must speak the same language.

We both speak english Scott, so there aren't many reasons to think you can't share this knowledge god has given you. One would be that the knowledge doesn't exist. Another would be that it's all personal opinions and beliefs with no real factual information.

But you have left out the actual reason, the reason I gave you...which is the contingent requirement set down by God. We are His creation...so He decides what is required.

Also, yes, we both speak english, but you would have to believe me. And just as I would not trust you with my life (not at this point), you should not expect to trust me with yours...so believing my words is not realistic. But I can explain just how it works, and I have, which is confirmed by countless people down through the ages. But then you have to take it upon yourself. You are either a child of God and have it in you to see it through and trust in His requirements, or you are not His child, but only an animated part of his creation...which is a gift all by itself...but it does not include the bonus of eternal life.

As I said, you do whatever you will do about this...for you.

All the best!

 

[ScottA]

Are you using the bible to prove the bible is right? For shame.

No, I confirm the bible is true.

 

[Freodin]

But is it the truth, that's the question.

Exactly that. And you claimed that this truth has been demonstrated by "going to the core of your being, being undeniable".

If that is the way that this "truth" is demonstrated, I make the counterclaim: a different, contradicting truth is in exactly the same way demonstrated to me.

Now if you want to retract your previous statement, and provide a different means of "demonstration of the truth"... have a go.

 

[bhsmte]

At best Thor exists inside the human mind. Truth exists independent of the human mind and it's truth I rely on.

God is Truth, get it?

Any God exists in the human mind, IMO.

I have yet to see you show otherwise.

You can say you rely on truth all you like. Demonstrating you have the truth, is a totally different thing.

 

[Chriliman]

Exactly that. And you claimed that this truth has been demonstrated by "going to the core of your being, being undeniable".

If that is the way that this "truth" is demonstrated, I make the counterclaim: a different, contradicting truth is in exactly the same way demonstrated to me.

Exactly, you accept a contradicting truth, which is no truth at all because logically truth should not contradict itself.

 

[Ana the Ist]

But you have left out the actual reason, the reason I gave you...which is the contingent requirement set down by God. We are His creation...so He decides what is required.

Also, yes, we both speak english, but you would have to believe me. And just as I would not trust you with my life (not at this point), you should not expect to trust me with yours...so believing my words is not realistic. But I can explain just how it works, and I have, which is confirmed by countless people down through the ages. But then you have to take it upon yourself. You are either a child of God and have it in you to see it through and trust in His requirements, or you are not His child, but only an animated part of his creation...which is a gift all by itself...but it does not include the bonus of eternal life.

As I said, you do whatever you will do about this...for you.

All the best!

Again, there's no knowledge which cannot be shared regardless of personal belief. None. Perhaps you think that by repeating it, I or someone else who's reading will eventually believe it...but that really isn't the case. Instead, the more you claim to have knowledge that you refuse to share...the more it looks like that knowledge doesn't exist.

I've given you ample opportunities at this point. You still hide behind false claims of belief requirements. As for the countless people throughout the ages, it never looked like they held any secret knowledge either.

So I'll give you one last chance, are you going to share this knowledge that god gave you? If not, what exactly is stopping you? When you start to type the words on your little keyboard, does some magical force paralyze your fingers?

 

[ScottA]

But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. - Carl Sagan

If you require the wisdom of others to make your own decision...you still have to make it. What you decide, that is what you get. Go for it.

 

[Chriliman]

Any God exists in the human mind, IMO.

I have yet to see you show otherwise.

You can say you rely on truth all you like. Demonstrating you have the truth, is a totally different thing.

I can't demonstrate this truth to you, only God can. I pray that the truth is demonstrated to you in a way that allows you to accept it, willingly. Amen!

 

[bhsmte]

I can't demonstrate this truth to you, only God can. I pray that the truth is demonstrated to you in a way that allows you to accept it, willingly. Amen!

If you can't demonstrate, you then understand why others dismiss your constant claims of knowing the truth, correct?

 

[ScottA]

I wonder if the below ever happens?

"You mean ... something bad is going to happen to me if I do not believe in (your version of) the Christian God?

Oh, no!

You've convinced me."

"These are really delicious, try one!"

No, of course not, nothing like that ever happens.