The origins of atheism

[Archaeopteryx]

You require lessons in intellectual honesty, because you also believe in a unicornless, leprechaunless, merlin-less, pink graviton fairy-less, gooblydock-less........ universe.

You seem to have a poor track record when it comes to telling people what they believe.

 

[Hikarifuru]

Ah, the "meaning of atheism". When atheism is brought to its logical conclusion, it's simply an admission that one does not know the truth about existence or if there is even a truth to be known. Yet, by claiming "I don't know the truth about existence" you're implying there is a truth to be known, but you currently don't know it yet. If you're willing to accept this truth can be known then you can confidently say there is meaning to existence(you're hopeful) but if you're willing to accept that the truth can never be known, then you're willing to say existence is meaningless. (you're hopeless)

So are you admitting that you don't know the truth about existence, but you're hopeful a truth can be known or are you admitting that you don't know the truth and that the truth may never be known, making you hopeless?

Since many atheists are willing to accept that the truth about existence can never be known, the logical conclusion from this statement is that atheism doesn't have meaning behind it. In other words, it's meaningless to be an atheist. This type of atheist is hopeless and may not even accept the truth that God exists even they were presented with evidence that showed that God does exist.

But if you're an atheist who accepts that the truth about existence can be known, then you're a hopeful atheist who would accept the truth that God exists if you were presented with convincing evidence.

So are you a hopeful atheist or a hopeless atheist?

I don't think its important whether I have hope or not. I am a moral nihilist and I do consider life to be worthwhile but hopeless, there is nothing much to hope in, there is no promise or assurance. We could all die miserably tomorrow and we'd have no more hope than the 6 million Jews that Hitler murdered.

Atheism is only the lack of belief... if you want to draw more conclusions based on that I'm not sure you objectively can. I do believe there is a truth, he either exists or does not. I myself... am confident that I do know the truth. I am confident that since god is inherently illogical, it does not exist.

Hope is a philosophical concept, not a scientific concept... and I think life is largely hopeless. The rabbit does not have hope in the teeth of the bear and thousands of children on earth perish everyday while their parents pray, there was never any hope for them.

 

[Chriliman]

I don't think its important whether I have hope or not. I am a moral nihilist and I do consider life to be worthwhile but hopeless, there is nothing much to hope in, there is no promise or assurance. We could all die miserably tomorrow and we'd have no more hope than the 6 million Jews that Hitler murdered.

Atheism is only the lack of belief... if you want to draw more conclusions based on that I'm not sure you objectively can. I do believe there is a truth, he either exists or does not. I myself... am confident that I do know the truth. I am confident that since god is inherently illogical, it does not exist.

Okay, so you're claiming you do know the truth and that the truth is that God does not exist because God is inherently illogical? Am I understanding you correctly?

 

[Eudaimonist]

Ah, the "meaning of atheism".

They were talking about the meaning of the word atheism, not meaning in life as it relates to atheists.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Hikarifuru]

Then by the same token your claim of Love is dismissible without faith. You may just be imagining things to compensate for fears and insecurities.

As you demonstrated, you do believe I have love and as I demonstrated there are very good reasons to think I have love... love is a common occurrence. You are talking out both sides of your mouth

My love is NOT dismissible without faith.

 

[Hikarifuru]

Okay, so you're claiming you do know the truth and that the truth is that God does not exist because God is inherently illogical? Am I understanding you correctly?

Yes

 

[Chriliman]

Yes

Can you explain why you think the possibility of an eternal infinite God that created the universe is inherently illogical?

 

[HitchSlap]

Because he is trying to get rid of the Messiah before He grows up.

So he desperately needs those facts.

Matthew 2:7 Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently what time the star appeared.

Yet, there's zero evidence to support your claim Herod killed all babies two and under. It never happened. Complete fabrication.
And Christianity was almost dead until Constantine came along and used it for his own purposes.
But you're free to believe what you need to, in spite of facts. You know, hiking and all.

 

[HitchSlap]

Can you explain why you think the possibility of an eternal infinite God that created the universe is inherently illogical?

I'd like to hear why you think it's logical?

 

[Hikarifuru]

Can you explain why you think the possibility of an eternal infinite God that created the universe is inherently illogical?

Because this "infinite" being/person that can do anything, never began, will never end, needs nothing, does not need evidence, does not regard evidence, cannot be tested, supersedes all logical rules, reasons, methods, exists outside of them all... undermines and denies all our logical rules and methods.

It undermines and denies logic itself. It was fathomed only to answer our darkest and most daunting questions and fears, it exists only in our needs. It only occurs on the occasion of our need for answers.

 

[HitchSlap]

Atheist are carful to ask questions that can't be answered. But even during the times of Christ, Jesus would do or say something profound and the non believers would focus on how Jesus didn't wash his hands before supper therefore.......

How do you know how Jesus responded, as he never wrote anything down? All we have are hearsay accounts written by anonymous authors who never met him.

 

[Hikarifuru]

Can you explain why you think the possibility of an eternal infinite God that created the universe is inherently illogical?

When something is immune to our logical rules, it is illogical and a god is inherently immune to our logical rules.

 

[HitchSlap]

Okay.

Herod killed lots and lots of kids.

Now what?

Do you think he should have mandated abortion or something two years earlier?

That way, he could have jusitfied his actions both scientifically and politically.

Or your god could have come up with a better way of introducing himself/son to the world without slaughtering thousands of babies? I bet you could even think of a better way, AV.

 

[Hikarifuru]

So our martyrs died for something they knew wasn't so?

If FAITH was all they had... yes, they did. They did die for something they never truly believed in, if it was faith... vs trust or confidence or knowledge.

But regarding these "martyrs" a lot of them were "prosecuted" not "persecuted" and a lot of them wanted to be martyrs, because Jesus venerated it.

 

[Colter]

You seem to have a poor track record when it comes to telling people what they believe.

Not really, atheist just don't like getting tangled up in their own weeds.

 

[Hikarifuru]

Not really, atheist just don't like getting tangled up in their own weeds.

You never provide evidence so, Yes really

 

[Colter]

As you demonstrated, you do believe I have love and as I demonstrated there are very good reasons to think I have love... love is a common occurrence. You are talking out both sides of your mouth

My love is NOT dismissible without faith.

No, I'm making points that you are too proud to acknowledge because you will not extend spiritualist the same courtesy which you demand of others.

 

[Colter]

You never provide evidence so, Yes really

You haven't provided evidence of Love yet.

 

[Colter]

How do you know how Jesus responded, as he never wrote anything down? All we have are hearsay accounts written by anonymous authors who never met him.

*We have the accounts of Jesus' Word to the extent he was accurately remembered.

* When Jesus returned to heaven he left the world with "the spirit of truth" which bears witness presently to the truth he taught ages ago. For believers Jesus Christ is now present with us even here as we defend those who hate his Loving message.

 

[Colter]

Or your god could have come up with a better way of introducing himself/son to the world without slaughtering thousands of babies? I bet you could even think of a better way, AV.

Herod killed babies for his own reasons, that wasn't Gods doing.