The origins of atheism

[AV1611VET]

Christ doesn't work on atheists, they don't believe in him.

But the Holy Ghost does.

They have to stop being atheist first.

No argument there.

 

[Davian]

Irregardless -- God is not going to accept anything an atheist has to offer in his defense as to why he didn't get saved.

So neither am I.

Did you not say earlier in this thread that your theology would not hold one accountable for something beyond their conscious control?

 

[AV1611VET]

Did you not say earlier in this thread that your theology would not hold one accountable for something beyond their conscious control?

I did.

 

[Davian]

I did.

So why would an atheist have to defend their lack of belief, when it is not under their conscious control?

 

[Hikarifuru]

But the Holy Ghost does.No argument there.

About as much as Casper the friendly ghost saves the day.

 

[AV1611VET]

So why would an atheist have to defend their lack of belief, when it is not under their conscious control?

But it is under their conscious control.

According to the Bible, one chooses not to believe in God.

Atheism is not a default position; else God wouldn't call them "fools."

Children, by default, are saved by grace through innocence.

After they reach the age of accountability, they need to be saved by grace through faith.

 

[Hikarifuru]

Irregardless -- God is not going to accept anything an atheist has to offer in his defense as to why he didn't get saved.

So neither am I.

I can assure you there are no atheists in Hell.

As to your point about children being born atheists, John the Baptist leaped in his mother's womb when Mary came to visit Elizabeth.

So that kinda shoots that theory down the drain IMO.

I can assure you hell and god is no more real than your talking donkey and your virgin birth too. Did you know nuns still occasionally claim that god made them pregnant... ahem.

again, the bible is the claim, not the evidence.

 

[Hikarifuru]

But it is under their conscious control.

According to the Bible, one chooses not to believe in God.

Atheism is not a default position; else God wouldn't call them "fools."

Children, by default, are saved by grace through innocence.

After they reach the age of accountability, they need to be saved by grace through faith.

There is no scripture that says children are saved by default through innocence. There is no age of accountability in the bible.

circular logic is circular

 

[Davian]

But it is under their conscious control.

According to the Bible, one chooses not to believe in God.

Atheism is not a default position; else God wouldn't call them "fools."

Children, by default, are saved by grace through innocence.

After they reach the age of accountability, they need to be saved by grace through faith.

If I tell you how you think, and I am wrong, am I still wrong?

 

[Davian]

But it is under their conscious control.

Is it for you?

 

[AV1611VET]

About as much as Casper the friendly ghost saves the day.

Are you here just to ridicule?

In our short conversation, you've said:

1. Children are born atheists.
2. The Catholic church regularly "christens" atheists (despite the fact that I used the word "baptizes").
3. The Holy Ghost is comparable to Casper the Friendly Ghost.

I'm almost afraid to keep talking.

No telling how far you'll condescend.

 

[AV1611VET]

Is it for you?

Davian, I'm not going to sit here and defend the fact that children aren't born atheists.

That's just wrong on ten different levels.

Do atheists abort their own?

 

[Hikarifuru]

Are you here just to ridicule?

In our short conversation, you've said:

1. Children are born atheists.
2. The Catholic church regularly "christens" atheists (despite the fact that I used the word "baptizes").
3. The Holy Ghost is comparable to Casper the Friendly Ghost.

I'm almost afraid to keep talking.

No telling how far you'll condescend.

You say atheists don't exist, that your god and some spooky spirit are the "cure" for me and you cite a book written by sheep herders that says I deserve to die to deny every bit of reason and logic and information I would provide to you.

How much respect do you think you deserve?

 

[Davian]

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[Hikarifuru]

Davian, I'm not going to sit here and defend the fact that children aren't born atheists.

That's just wrong on ten different levels.

Do atheists abort their own?

You don't get to say things are wrong just because the bible says so or because you don't like it. You need real evidence.

If you acknowledge the meaning of the word atheist... then you see that yes children are born atheist and then later they learn about a god.

 

[AV1611VET]

You say atheists don't exist, that your god and some spooky spirit are the "cure" for me and you cite a book written by sheep herders that says I deserve to die to deny every bit of reason and logic and information I would provide to you.

How much respect do you think you deserve?

Have a good day.

 

[ScottA]

How do you 'return' to something that is 'omnipresent'?

It doesn't do it justice to say it this way (in your common vernacular), but you return: in your mind.

 

[Davian]

If that is your god, you should be able to address this post.

You're right Davian. I should be able to answer it and I can.

Did you forget to add "...but don't hold your breath"?

 

[Davian]

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As to your point about children being born atheists, John the Baptist leaped in his mother's womb when Mary came to visit Elizabeth.

So that kinda shoots that theory down the drain IMO.

Not when you are shooting blanks.

 

[Hikarifuru]

Have a good day.

/wave