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The origins of atheism

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...You simply need to read this, if you want, dear theist. I am not writing for busy atheists. Very likely, that they are busy with satanic activities.

You continue to show your ignorance of the word atheist:
atheist
noun
1. a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

atheist
noun athe·ist \ˈā-thē-ist\
: a person who believes that God does not exist
Full Definition of ATHEIST: one who believes that there is no deity

That includes the demi-god SATAN. We don't believe in any of it. We sure aren't busy with satanic activities.
 
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That's correct, God exist above the plain of worldly logic.

Since discussing anything intelligibly requires the acceptance of logical fallacies, I'm left with no choice but to ignore anything you say regarding Philosophy, or most anything else for that matter.
 
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None of which, in my reading, answered the question I previously raised:

It may be somewhere else in the Blue Book, but 51:2.2 doesn't address how the Life Carrier got to the arrival point to restore such dematerialized creature(s). (I did ask you that question in my above quoted post):
"But then, how does the Life Carrier get here?"
I think that's an important consideration and deserving of an answer.
Perhaps you can point me to the part of 39:5.11-39:5.15 that addresses this question that I missed.

I have other questions about your above quote, but I guess it's better to address one question at a time.
Must be a reading comprehension thing. Here, let me guide you through it:


The Transport seraphim brought the Life Carriers to Earth.


With that in mind lets read back through my answer together:


* The common mode of transportation within the grand universe is the "Transport Seraphim". That is to say, they are the transport vehicle. Think of them like a cab. There are trillions of them in a vast universe.​

 
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The only thing worse than spiritual theism is sci-fi theism. But I could not decide which version has produced more atheists.

So, It's Sunday, and where are the Atheist? Gardening? Cooking? Medieval battle reenactments? Candle making class? No, on a Christian internet forum. :ahah:
 
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Ah, the wishful thinking argument. Fair enough. Thank you for the opportunity. Of course you are talking about religious faith, not other kinds of faith… like faith in science or faith in your best friend, right?

Faith in general is something everyone has. We would not take a step unless we had the faith that we would not step into a deep hole or off a cliff. We would not turn the key in our car but for the faith that it would start. This general faith is not wishful thinking but based on experience. After many decades of life (experience) of interacting with God and daily seeing answered prayer, my present religious faith is very much like this everyday faith.

However, when I first came to Christian faith, it was a risky step into the unknown. “When we come to the end of all the light that we know and we are about to step off into the darkness, ‘faith” is knowing one of two things will happen: there will be something solid in the darkness for you to stand on or you will be taught how to fly.” (Edward Teller) This step of faith was much closer to wishful thinking, true, but it was also an issue of personal trust--- more like when my mother told me as a child to not run out into the street and to wash my hands before eating. After being exposed to the New Testament scriptures, I had come to trust their Author. As Jesus (the Good Shepherd) said, "My sheep hear my voice and follow..."

Faith in something that is not real is indeed wishful thinking. In this I agree with you. And like the placebo effect, such faith can have a short term positive outcome (like sugar pills). But faith in something that is real will be proven out over time. I cannot speak for every person of faith, but I can certainly speak as an old Vietnam Vet and scientist … that I get constant evidences of God’s love and leading … and have for most of my longish life. It is not wishful thinking when it works over many decades. The ground has been quite solid.
1. Reality exists.
2. We can know things about reality.
3. Falsifiable models with predictive capability work better than those without.
 
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So, It's Sunday, and where are the Atheist? Gardening? Cooking? Medieval battle reenactments? Candle making class? No, on a Christian internet forum. :ahah:
Well, you are a source of entertainment, albeit I doubt you intended to be.
 
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So, It's Sunday, and where are the Atheist? Gardening? Cooking? Medieval battle reenactments? Candle making class? No, on a Christian internet forum. :ahah:
Hey, look, it is Sunday. I gardened... I cooked... sorry, no medieval battle reenactment, but I have the excuse of having to do the clothes today. Candle making class isn't on Sundays... Sunday is a off-from-work day in Germany, no lessons today.

I just watched an old Burt Reynolds movie, and found it abysmal. So I decided to get on the Internet and get my amusement there.

But I have to admit: the 50's sci-fi B-movies are better than the stuff that is offered here. Luckily I was looking for comedy.
 
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Hey, look, it is Sunday. I gardened... I cooked... sorry, no medieval battle reenactment, but I have the excuse of having to do the clothes today. Candle making class isn't on Sundays... Sunday is a off-from-work day in Germany, no lessons today.

I just watched an old Burt Reynolds movie, and found it abysmal. So I decided to get on the Internet and get my amusement there.

But I have to admit: the 50's sci-fi B-movies are better than the stuff that is offered here. Luckily I was looking for comedy.

LOL! I'm glad you share my sense of humor. :oldthumbsup:
 
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But J. Smith's purported revelation didn't reveal anything that makes much sense.
So tone it down to nickel and it will?

God wrote on stone tablets and guess what?

Scientists don't even want them on courthouse lawns!
 
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So, It's Sunday, and where are the Atheist? Gardening? Cooking? Medieval battle reenactments? Candle making class? No, on a Christian internet forum. :ahah:

Doing dishes, reading fiction, making chili, watching an episode of Babylon 5, spending quality time with my cat, preparing to watch the lunar eclipse tonight, and relaxing.


eudaimonia,

Mark
 
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:) There were false Messiahs before and after Jesus, there were false revelations before and after the 5th Epochal revelation to our world.
Joseph Smith didn't claim to be the Messiah (that I know of).

But he, like his predecessor, Mohammad, claimed to be a prophet.
 
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keep it simple and out of article or book quotations, What i mean by God is the cause and power that established the law in a sandbox universe. I would like you to think this with your own mind instead quoting someone else, or else i wont benefit from this conversation because Google is available for me also.
Note that I did delineate my words from what was quoted with colour and italicization.
By the way the God i believe did not walk in a garden, this is irrelevant. Although i am not a believer of the Bible or christian faith i understand the ''figure of speech'' used by ancient Hebrews to describe God in heaven.
Yet they, and the OP of this thread ascribe many things to the word "God" beyond using as a label for a mystery explanation for the mysteries of the Universe.
God is unlike anything, neither is he (the royal he) born nor does he die.
You just did it there, with the word "he". Your faith indicator aside, are you positing a uncaring deistic-type god or a god that cares what you wear on your head and with whom you have sex?
Although i believe what we get to choose are ''limited'' under the laws of the sandbox we live, still we are free to choose between the limited options. I chose to wake up early in the morning, so i set my alarm. I chose to type this reply to you so i picked the sequence of my expression through the keyboard. I can load a porn right now, but i chose not to.
I do find that my time here is more intellectually stimulating. :)
as far as you get to chose even one thing out of the other you are having free will, but indeed not unlimited free will.
It would seem one's belief in a god (or disbelief) is not a conscious decision, but I gather that many theologies are built upon that [faulty] premise. Do you feel that one's belief in a god (or disbelief) is a conscious decision?
 
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You can't demonstrate that photons experience no time and no space either. The mathematics only point to it as being true.
Which is far more than what you have for your "God".
I'm pointing out how God can be thought of in the same way.
I still do not know what you mean by "God". Is this the "God" that allegedly walked and talked in a garden that has no evidence of having existed, poofed people and animals into existence, and later, in a manner contrary to the modern understanding of genetics, populated the planet with a tiny group of individuals and animals that survived a global flood in an unbuildable boat, a flood that killed the dinosaurs in a manner that only *appears* to be 65 million years ago, because the Earth is really only somehow 6000 years old, yet remains, by every objective measure to date indistinguishable from nothing?

I am supposed to think of that god as I would a photon?
The mathematics point to God, whether you believe it or not.
If you have an undefined, unfalsifiable position, virtually anything can be thought to point to it. Puppies, snowflakes, bird poop. You render the word meaningless.
 
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The Hawking sees only atheists around him, so, of course, the man like he doubts the existence of the freedom. They are in mental jail: the paganism of atheism (the proof with the comments:
The Spaghetti Being God, that Pagan Atheism Enjoys http://vixra.org/abs/1509.0234)
I said Hitchens, not Hawking. And I was talking about freewill, not freedom. They're two different concepts.
 
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