Near perfect existence

[Davian]

Chriliman and I are followers of Jesus of Nazareth.

Do you all want to be His followers too?

I do not know what it means to be a follower of someone that, if they even existed, is long since dead.

Could you elucidate?

 

[anonymous person]

I do not know what it means to be a follower of someone that, if they even existed, is long since dead.

Could you elucidate?

Sure.

Let's assume He is dead.

What of His teachings? What of His philosophy or Outlook on life?

If you had been there in the crowd, would you have been one of the ones who followed after Him?

You think Him dead. But His teachings live on. Do you desire to live according to them?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Sure.

Let's assume He is dead.

What of His teachings? What of His philosophy or Outlook on life?

If you had been there in the crowd, would you have been one of the ones who followed after Him?

You think Him dead. But His teachings live on. Do you desire to live according to them?

Sounds like you're trying to create a new thread.

Also...no.

 

[Davian]

Sure.

Let's assume He is dead.

What of His teachings? What of His philosophy or Outlook on life?

If you had been there in the crowd, would you have been one of the ones who followed after Him?

If I had lived back then, I suspect I would be a different person; I cannot speak for that person. Would I abandon family, and give away all of my possessions and money to follow an apocalyptic preacher at this time? I don't think so.

You think Him dead.

What options are available to me on that subject, other than 'dead'?

But His teachings live on. Do you desire to live according to them?

A morality system that boils down to, anything goes, as long as you believe, and holds one responsible for things beyond one's control? I would have to say that my own moral compass would not be compatible with that.

 

[anonymous person]

If I had lived back then, I suspect I would be a different person; I cannot speak for that person. Would I abandon family, and give away all of my possessions and money to follow an apocalyptic preacher at this time? I don't think so.

What options are available to me on that subject, other than 'dead'?

A morality system that boils down to, anything goes, as long as you believe, and holds one responsible for things beyond one's control? I would have to say that my own moral compass would not be compatible with that.

Precisely.

 

[anonymous person]

Sounds like you're trying to create a new thread.

Also...no.

Precisely.

 

[Davian]

You think Him dead.

What options are available to me on that subject, other than 'dead'?

A morality system that boils down to, anything goes, as long as you believe, and holds one responsible for things beyond one's control? I would have to say that my own moral compass would not be compatible with that.

Precisely.

Precisely what? Do you consider belief to be a conscious choice? That I could believe if I simply desire to believe?

 

[quatona]

Chriliman and I are followers of Jesus of Nazareth.

Do you all want to be His followers too?

You asking, if you guys´ conduct in this thread was a successful advertisement for adopting your beliefs?

 

[Davian]

You're funny. Why would I agree to believe in a god that you're creating from one paragraph of information? I believe in the God that brought life into existence and brought the words of Scripture to life. Try to expand out from this paragraph of information that you've created and stop trying to shove God into it.

I didn't ask you to agree with it, I asked: in what way is it not accurate, for your beliefs?

 

[DogmaHunter]

There are plausible evolutionary explanations underlying why we find things beautiful; for example, symmetry, smooth surfaces and curves are indicators of physical and genetic health when selecting a mate, etc.

Sure, I get that. But isn't it correct to state that this only works upto a certain point?
I mean, when we see the "beauty ideals" of cultures around the world for example, there are some vast differences.

When we talk about the "beauty" of art, we'll see a lot of disagreement as well.

I could get on board with the idea that there are perhaps a few basic "objective" indicators we could identify. But in general, it's easy to find 2 people of which one thinks X is simply gorgeous while the other thinks X is butt-ugly. Right?

 

[anonymous person]

You asking, if you guys´ conduct in this thread was a successful advertisement for adopting your beliefs?

No. I asked if you wanted to be a follower of Jesus.

 

[anonymous person]

What options are available to me on that subject, other than 'dead'?



Precisely what? Do you consider belief to be a conscious choice? That I could believe if I simply desire to believe?

No man can come unto Jesus unless the Father draws him.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Sure.

Let's assume He is dead.

What of His teachings? What of His philosophy or Outlook on life?

If you had been there in the crowd, would you have been one of the ones who followed after Him?

You think Him dead. But His teachings live on. Do you desire to live according to them?

What of his teachings? Most are hardly unique to him.

 

[anonymous person]

What of his teachings? Most are hardly unique to him.

Do you desire to be seen by the world as one of His followers? Do you desire to live as He lived in the world?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Do you desire to be seen by the world as one of His followers? Do you desire to live as He lived in the world?

You already asked me this in a private conversation.

 

[DogmaHunter]

In an eternal reality(which we could be a part of), truth would describe that reality as eternal and this eternal truth would be independent of our finite minds.

You are using the word 'truth' in a different way that most of us do.

Truth to me is simply that which is true.
It's not an entity. It's rather some sort of qualification of a claim.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Sure.

Let's assume He is dead.

What of His teachings? What of His philosophy or Outlook on life?

If you had been there in the crowd, would you have been one of the ones who followed after Him?

You think Him dead. But His teachings live on. Do you desire to live according to them?

If we must follow dead people, I'ld rather choose someone like Frank Zappa.

But in actual day-to-day life, I prefer "following" nobody and thinking for myself instead.

 

[Chriliman]

You are using the word 'truth' in a different way that most of us do.

Truth to me is simply that which is true.
It's not an entity. It's rather some sort of qualification of a claim.

An eternal truth would be incomprehensible to a finite mind. Eternal truth could be described as an entity with eternal conciousness. The fact that we can describe such an entity without fully understanding it with our finite minds is profound in of itself. You can niether prove or disprove the existence of eternal truth, logically only it can prove itself. God does prove himself to those who are honest and humble.

 

[anonymous person]

If we must follow dead people, I'ld rather choose someone like Frank Zappa.

But in actual day-to-day life, I prefer "following" nobody and thinking for myself instead.

And that is why you cannot believe.

 

[Davian]

No man can come unto Jesus unless the Father draws him.

When then did you bother to ask what I desired?