Why Modern Jubilee Prophesies are Wrong!

[Douggg]

Why not wait until September 2015 ends

As far as seeing if something significant happens. Sure.

This thread though is just about is 2015 recognized a regular schmita, the year following 2016 also a Jubilee super schmita? Johnathan Cahn is saying yes. Gideon is saying he has it wrong. The Jubliee, Gideon is saying is some other year, not 2016.

It is a little confusing because the Jubilee super schmita (year of release) is the year following the 7th regular schmita. i.e.
7 x 7 year schmita cycle = 49 years. The next year the 50th year is the Jubilee super schmita, year of release, when all debts are forgiven.

 

[Douggg]

Also, I am not saying that AD 2027 is significant to end-time prophecy. I only mentioned it to make the point that the Jubilees do not count to our current year.

What year are you saying that the Jubilee year is? If you agree that 2015 is a schmita year, then the next schimta years are 2022, 2029, 2036.

Which if the Jubilee is the year following any one of those is 2023, 2030, 3037. So which year are you saying is the Jubilee year?

 

[joshua 1 9]

I am not sure where they come up for the date for the Jubilee year, but it does seem to coincide with Civil right / liberty events. Johnson was signing a lot of civil right laws back in 1966. In 1866 the 14th Amendment was passed by Congress. There was a move for civil liberty beginning back in 1917 and even that was the beginning of womens sufferage.

 

[Douggg]

Well, having read Jonathon Cahn's book on the Shemita and also reading Gideon's book "The Atonement Clock", I do comprehend the problem.

Okay, you have read Gideon's book, if 2016 is not the Jubilee year, what year does Gideon say is the right year?

 

[Gideon]

What year are you saying that the Jubilee year is? If you agree that 2015 is a schmita year, then the next schimta years are 2022, 2029, 2036.

Which if the Jubilee is the year following any one of those is 2023, 2030, 3037. So which year are you saying is the Jubilee year?

My explanation is on post #5. Since AD 27 was the last Jubilee mentioned in the Bible we count increments of 49 to the nearest date in our time and it arrives at AD 1987. If you add another 49 years it comes to AD 2036/2037.

However, we are not supposed to be playing this game. I only mentioned it to make the point that AD 2016 is wrong! So, if anyone says that Gideon said "the next Jubilee was going to be AD 2037" I will be really annoyed. The Jubilee count ended with Messiahs arrival. So, get this "prediction" mania out of your head Doug. It is bad eschatology, bad Christianity and a bad testimony to non-Christians.

 

[civilwarbuff]

The Jubilee count ended with Messiahs arrival.

Do the Jews believe it has ended since they don't accept Messiah?

 

[BABerean2]

Here's the explanation from the Jews themselves. I asked about their corrections back in July ...http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/topic/5524/Need-some-calendar-help

"The extra month is Adar II, the 13th month - it follows Adar I, the 12th month. The month of Adar is the last, i.e., 12th, month in the Biblical Jewish calendar, i.e., it precedes the month of Nisan. The 13th month is added to the 3rd, 6th, 8th, 11th, 14th, 17th, and 19th year of every 19-year cycle; in other words, 7 times in each 19-year period. During a regular year on the Jewish calendar, the holiday of Purim falls in the middle of the month of Adar (always 1 month prior to the start of Passover). During a leap year, Purim is observed during Adar II."

OK, I see how they correct the Jewish calendar to fit the solar calendar.

However, would 500 corrected Jewish years also be equal to 500 solar years? If not, why?

 

[Douggg]

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[Douggg]

OK, I see how they correct the Jewish calendar to fit the solar calendar.

However, would 500 corrected Jewish years also be equal to 500 solar years? If not, why?

Yes, 500 corrected Jewish years would equal 500 solar years because both have 500 growing seasons in them.

The only thing is that some of those Jewish lunar years would have an extra month - 13 months instead of 12.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Recently there have been a bunch of failed end-time predictions. The latest cases relate to the ancient Hebrew cycles of ‘Shemitah’ and ‘Yovel’ – in English, the Sabbatical years, and the Jubilee. There is no doubt they were a part of an old Hebrew calendar, but that function no longer operates. The Jubilee was not followed by the Jews after the Persian period, and the ‘Shemitah’, although continuing, lost its use as a calendar system.

Yes, the old Jubilee can be found, but false prophets have got on to the Jubilee bandwagon without properly interpreting it. Nor have they properly researched their dates. For example, Harold Camping, built his now discredited theories on a Jubilee date of Tishri (Sept) 1994/1995. Since then Rabbi Jonathan Cahn places the Jubilee starting this month, Tishri (Sept) 2015/2016. He relates it to the ‘blood moon’ phenomena, and current world economic problems. Then there is John Hagee and others like him.

I hope to explain why I believe these charlatans are dead wrong! In the meanwhile, please take a moment to do the poll.

Gideon

Well .. since the original calendar was 360 days and we now use a 364.25 day calendar, it would make sense that the calculation of which year it actually is on the jewish calendar is an approximation. Furthermore, prophecies like this tend to be believed by the generation that was deceived by the false Israel rising from the holocaust. In reality, Jesus is a fulfillment of the law, including the feasts, including the jubilee. Paul spoke of observing times and dates .. and was grieved because he thought he had wasted his time on that congregation. Jesus even told the apostles who asked about the restoration of Israel in their time, Jesus said this is none of your business, go use the power given to you to preach the good news of Him to the ends of the earth.

Therefore, if you are looking for a Jubilee, embody it. As Christ within you the Hope of Glory .. is the everlasting Jubilee.

 

[Gideon]

Do the Jews believe it has ended since they don't accept Messiah?

Jews stopped keeping Jubilee long before Jesus, but they did keep the Shemitah. They think that it may begin again when the 'lost tribes' return, but that's not going to happen of course.

Christians have a different teaching regarding the Jubilee. We say that it was fulfilled and ended in Messiahs first coming. The people who are promoting it today have been influenced by the "Hebraic Roots" heresy - modern Judaisers.

 

[BABerean2]

Jews stopped keeping Jubilee long before Jesus, but they did keep the Shemitah. They think that it may begin again when the 'lost tribes' return, but that's not going to happen of course.

Christians have a different teaching regarding the Jubilee. We say that it was fulfilled and ended in Messiahs first coming. The people who are promoting it today have been influenced by the "Hebraic Roots" heresy - modern Judaisers.

I am ministering to a couple who have been convinced by someone who calls himself a "Messianic Rabbi"
that they need to observe circumcision, Kosher foods, Feast Days, and Friday sundown to Saturday sundown Sabbath.
They have been convinced that since Christ did those things, we need to do them also.

We spent quite a bit of time in the Book of Galatians recently as well as a discussion of Grace and Grace alone.

My question is... Is he is really a Messianic Rabbi, if he is a Judaizer?

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[civilwarbuff]

Jews stopped keeping Jubilee long before Jesus, but they did keep the Shemitah. They think that it may begin again when the 'lost tribes' return, but that's not going to happen of course.

Any idea when that happened? Any reference to that in the OT? Seems odd that they would not keep Jubilee since that came directly from God....keep it at least until the temple was destroyed.

 

[Gideon]

Keep up the good work BABerean. I look forward to the day when Jews turn to Jesus again. However, from what I can see, there has been a tendency for modern Messianic Christians to mix elements of Judaism into their New Testament understanding. Some seem to be sincere enough, but others seem to be full-blown heretics.

Bad eschatology such as dispensationism does not help. Sad.

 

[Gideon]

Any idea when that happened? Any reference to that in the OT? Seems odd that they would not keep Jubilee since that came directly from God....keep it at least until the temple was destroyed.

Some quote Hezekiah's Jubilee as the last recorded one. (2 Kings 19:29) Others think it when Josiah found the book of the law. (2 Kings 22) However, I believe there is evidence that its last observation was later still - shortly after Nehemiah. (My date 415 BC)

The Hebrew Calendar was compromised during the inter-testament years. Ill try to expand on this later.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Some quote Hezekiah's Jubilee as the last recorded one. (2 Kings 19:29) Others think it when Josiah found the book of the law. (2 Kings 22) However, I believe there is evidence that its last observation was later still - shortly after Nehemiah. (My date 415 BC)

The Hebrew Calendar was compromised during the inter-testament years. Ill try to expand on this later.

Thanks for the answer....I did not know that Jubilee ended before the temple destruction.

 

[BABerean2]

The fulfillment of the Last Jubilee...

Luk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Luk 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

Luk 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

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[civilwarbuff]

Luk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Does this mean Jesus simply went to the synagogue as his custom and was asked to read or did he read as his custom (I guess this to mean as expected of him)?

 

[Gideon]

The fulfillment of the Last Jubilee...

Luke 4:16

Agreed, Luke 4:16 was the last Jubilee. The Jews had 'lost' them during the Inter-testament era but God had not forgotten! It is my opinion that John received a revelation of the Holy Spirit, that the year he was to begin preaching (AD26) was the Shemitah immediately preceding the final Jubilee. (AD27)

With this in mind, it is interesting to notice how Johns message was, "the time is near", but Jesus said, "the time has come." (Mark 1:15) I believe that the slight difference in timing was because the Jubilee followed straight after the 7th Shemitah. True prophecy is far more precise than the guess work of modern false teachers.

 

[Gideon]

Reason #2 - The Ancient Jewish Calendar began in March - not September!

End-time predictions based on the Shemitah and Jubilee are inevitably muddled because modern 'prophets' are using the modern Jewish calendar which begins in Tishri. (Sept/Oct) The Shemitah of the Old Testament was different. It began in Abib. (Mar/April)

The Lord said to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, “This month (Abib) shall be for you the beginning of months. It shall be the first month of the year for you. (Exodus 12:1-2)

However, there was one year (only one) that began in Tishri. It was 50th year which was called the Jubilee.

You shall count seven weeks of years, seven times seven years, so that the time of the seven weeks of years shall give you forty-nine years. Then you shall sound the loud trumpet on the tenth day of the seventh month. On the Day of Atonement you shall sound the trumpet throughout all your land. And you shall consecrate the fiftieth year. (Leviticus 25: 8-10)

It may seem strange to have a year starting on the seventh month, but until we understand it, we will never find the 'lost' Jubilee years. How it worked was like this: The 50th year was not consecutive with other years, but was overlaid on top of the last half of the 49th year. Put another way, it straddled the last and first years of the Sabbatic cycles. Here is a diagram:

Understanding this system helps stop faulty counting. It is widely assumed that the cycle was fifty years, but efforts to count 50 + 50 + 50 etc fail to locate the Jubilees. Please note: I am talking about actual Jubilees in the Bible - not calculations into the future. However, IF end-time 'predictors' must project Jubilees beyond Christ, the least they can do is get the system right. The Shemitah began in March - not September; and the Sabbatical cycle is 49 - not 50.

Gideon