[PERMANENTLY CLOSED] Genesis 1:6

[Jan Volkes]

Prior to this the earth was just a ball of water floating in space, although there was no core to make it a ball so what was it? magic from start to finish?
How many Americans believe this?

 

[Oncedeceived]

Prior to this the earth was just a ball of water floating in space, although there was no core to make it a ball so what was it? magic from start to finish?
How many Americans believe this?

Now the earth was unformed and void,


This is stating that the earth was not formed yet. Which supports my viewpoint that the first verse is not the first act of Creation.



and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of God hovered over the face of the waters.


Science has shown that the early universe was dark (see below)

Up until recently, there was a conflict with Science due to the fact that it was considered impossible for a liquid form to be present during the formation of the universe. This also comes in below.




And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.


2 3 And God said: 'Let there be light.' And there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5


http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/cosmic_light_010808.html


Astronomers announced Tuesday they have seen through the fog of the early universe to spy some of the first light emitted during a "cosmic renaissance" that occurred when the first galaxies were born.
The announcement came just days after a different research group said they had spotted the first evidence of the cosmic dark ages, the period long thought to have preceded this newly spotted cosmic brightening.

Together, the studies provide glimpses into the earliest mechanisms of the universe, after the Big Bang. Astronomers familiar with the studies called them important for helping create a timeline of the universe's evolution.

Evidence for the two epochs have long been sought by astronomers and cosmologists, who believe the universe began in a Big Bang some 12 to 15 billion years ago, after which the universe expanded rapidly but remained dark for millions and millions of years. Lumps and bumps were thought to form in an otherwise smooth distribution of matter during these dark ages, and the first galaxies were bornafter gravity caused these clumps of matter to grow larger.

The galaxies marked the end of the dark ages and the beginning of the cosmic renaissance.



6 And God said: 'Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.' 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day. {P}



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7546975/


Liquid, not a gas

The quark-gluon plasma was made in the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider — a powerful atom smasher at Brookhaven National Laboratory in Upton, N.Y. Unexpectedly, the quark-gluon plasma behaved like a perfect liquid of quarks, instead of a gas, the physicists said.


9 And God said: 'Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear.' And it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters called He Seas; and God saw that it was good.

This again was thought conflicting with Scientific findings, it was thought that the early earth was too hot for a liquid state but that has been shown not to be the case. Early earth did have water on its surface.

 

[Steeno7]

Prior to this the earth was just a ball of water floating in space

Where do you get that idea?

 

[AV1611VET]

Prior to this the earth was just a ball of water floating in space,

Yes.

For lack of a better term, I have called it Terra Aqua.

although there was no core to make it a ball

At first it was just a pool of sea water in the hollow of God's hand.

Without form and void.

Then, after gravity was created, it became a sphere of water -- Terra Aqua.

so what was it?

A sphere of sea water.

magic from start to finish?

A miracle.

How many Americans believe this?

I don't know.

 

[Jan Volkes]

Where do you get that idea?

Seems I was wrong according to AV because at first it was just a pool of sea water in the hollow of God's hand,
not just water but sea water with salt in.
How many Americans believe this?

 

[Steeno7]

Seems I was wrong according to AV because at first it was just a pool of sea water in the hollow of God's hand,
not just water but sea water with salt in.
How many Americans believe this?

In Gen. 1 Gods creates the heavens and the earth. Where do you get the idea there was no "core"?

 

[AV1611VET]

Seems I was wrong according to AV because at first it was just a pool of sea water in the hollow of God's hand, not just water but sea water with salt in.

Sea water contains every element in the Periodic Table.

So when God called for the landmass to appear, the atoms just came together and the landmass appeared.

Just like when He called for the plants -- the ground produced them.

 

[Steeno7]

Sea water contains every element in the Periodic Table.

So when God called for the landmass to appear, the atoms just came together and the landmass appeared.

Just like when He called for the plants -- the ground produced them.

Land "appeared" because He gathered the water into "seas". The land was already there, it was merely beneath the water.

 

[Jan Volkes]

Phew.......

 

[Foxhole87]

Sea water contains every element in the Periodic Table.

So when God called for the landmass to appear, the atoms just came together and the landmass appeared.

Just like when He called for the plants -- the ground produced them.

Um. What?

 

[AV1611VET]

Land "appeared" because He gathered the water into "seas". The land was already there, it was merely beneath the water.

You're welcome to your interpretation.

 

[AV1611VET]

Um. What?

Inside of sea water are the ingredients to make a lot of things.

Even gold exists in the ocean.

When God spoke, the elements came together and formed land.

Then the oceans parted and the landmass came out.

 

[Steeno7]

You're welcome to your interpretation.

Well, it ain't an opinion.

Gen 1:9 "And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.”And God saw that it was good."

 

[Foxhole87]

Inside of sea water are the ingredients to make a lot of things.

Even gold exists in the ocean.

When God spoke, the elements came together and formed land.

Then the oceans parted and the landmass came out.

http://www.eoearth.org/view/article/155955/

You claimed that "Sea water contains every element in the Periodic Table".

There are 20 elements on the Periodic Table which are synthetic and you won't find this mystical "primordial sea water".

Also, sea water contains other metals beyond your normal salts because it gets it from somewhere else via erosion.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, it ain't an opinion.

Gen 1:9 "And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.”And God saw that it was good."

I take it you believe the land was created ex nihilo?

I believe it was created ex materia.

Either way, it showed up.

 

[AV1611VET]

http://www.eoearth.org/view/article/155955/

You claimed that "Sea water contains every element in the Periodic Table".

There are 20 elements on the Periodic Table which are synthetic and you won't find this mystical "primordial sea water".

Fair enough.

Then ... at the time ... the sea water contained every element in existence.

How's that?

Also, sea water contains other metals beyond your normal salts because it gets it from somewhere else via erosion.

Please note that I am talking about the creation week.

The sun doesn't even exist yet.

 

[Foxhole87]

Fair enough.

Then ... at the time ... the sea water contained every element in existence.

How's that?

Well, it isn't very good at all, especially since you are just making things up. I suppose you're going to say that divine stirring took place in order to keep everything from settling during the countless ages prior to God drawing the land out.

Sea water contained cesium, which reacts violently with water upon contact?

Please note that I am talking about the creation week.

The sun doesn't even exist yet.

I don't think you understood my sentence.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't think you understood my sentence.

I think we're talking two completely different paradigms here.

Do you know the difference between creatio ex nihilo and creatio ex materia?

And if so, can you take Genesis 1 ... and Genesis 1 alone ... and separate the creation events into two lists:

One list marked EX NIHILO and the other list marked EX MATERIA?

(Note: You don't have to believe it; I'm just asking if you can do it.)

 

[Foxhole87]

I think we're talking two completely different paradigms here.

Do you know the difference between creatio ex nihilo and creatio ex materia?

And if so, can you take Genesis 1 ... and Genesis 1 alone ... and separate the creation events into two lists:

One list marked EX NIHILO and the other list marked EX MATERIA?

(Note: You don't have to believe it; I'm just asking if you can do it.)

Are you saying that seawater is eternal and existed distinct and separate from a result of God's creation?

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you saying that seawater is eternal and existed distinct and separate from a result of God's creation?

Have a nice day, sir.