Refuting Sola Scriptura - Why the Bible Alone is Not Sufficient

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Know you get it.

I think that was sarcasm!

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

No, you asked why I was asking what Martin Luther had to do with this. That is a red-herring, because I asked what his 95 Thesis had to do with this, not Martin Luther.

Would you like me to go back and place the post, of your's, I was quoting with the responce I gave when I called out the red herring or would you like to do it.

 

[Chandler50]

Religion is an ideal. The Church is a structure whose inhabitants have not always arisen to the standards of Christ. The church was built on Peter, but Petter died and others took his place.

What is opinion founded on? Give me credible resources. Bible passages, early church writings, something.

 

[Goatee]

Religion is an ideal. The Church is a structure whose inhabitants have not always arisen to the standards of Christ. The church was built on Peter, but Petter died and others took his place.

BUT! The Holy Spirit continued and continues to feed the church with truth and the words and teachings of Christ!

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

BUT! The Holy Spirit continued and continues to feed the church with truth and the words and teachings of Christ!

That's why the church endures, because those who are false are found out and removed. We can never know when God is testing us and what manner that test takes. It could very well be how vigilant we are of the actions of those who claim to lead us.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

What is opinion founded on? Give me credible resources. Bible passages, early church writings, something.

I will not give you Bible referances to the known history of the churches attendants, which is well documented in history books.

 

[Goatee]

That's why the church endures, because those who are false are found out and removed. We can never know when God is testing us and what manner that test takes. It could very well be how vigilant we are of the actions of those who claim to lead us.

True

 

[SAAN]

On judgement day, is Jesus going to judge you by your obedience to scriptures or man made traditions?

While the bible is not a play by play summary of history and is a summation of biblical events of the time, it is still a guide on how to live our lives as believers. I do agree we should not worship the bible as an idol, to the extent were we condemn others by the bible and ignore our own flaws.

 

[SAAN]

Loving God is a law of God, Duet 6:5
Deuteronomy 6:5(NKJV)
5 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.


Loving your neighbor is a law of God, Lev 19:18
Leviticus 19:18 (NKJV)
18 You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.


You can fight it all day long, but God has laws Christians are required to follow. All through out the bible God says to keep his commandments, so if you want to refer to them as laws or commandments or whatever makes you happy, you are still required to follow them as a believer, if you truly Love God.



Jesus sums all the commandments purpose into set basic principles, but he doesnt say everything is canceled out for these 2, they are just a summary.

Matthew 22:36-40 (NKJV) 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”
37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”
37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”



Paul shows the purpose of the commandments as well.
Galatians 5:14(NKJV) 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”[a]

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

True

We gotta watch all corners because we are dealing with those governed by Satan, with his guile and deception. We can't do this alone and we can't depend on others to be diligent for our part. We are in the drivers seat of our own destiny. Jesus is our GPS and Satan is the magnet that might be pulling the compass from the dirrection we should be aiming at.

 

[Goatee]

On judgement day, is Jesus going to judge you by your obedience to scriptures or man made traditions?

While the bible is not a play by play summary of history and is a summation of biblical events of the time, it is still a guide on how to live our lives as believers. I do agree we should not worship the bible as an idol, to the extent were we condemn others by the bible and ignore our own flaws.

Is Jesus, on judgement day, going to say, "I showed you the way but you took another route!" "You chose to go on your own! You chose a different path!"

You see, NT shows us the way! Jesus told us who was to lead 'His' church and how it would be unbeatable but so many have thrown that to one side and decide to go it alone!!

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

From what I've understood on judgement day we will be judged for who we are. That encompasses many things because who we have permitted to rule over us is who we are. Christ said that a servant can only follow one master and only one master will lead you to heaven. Just because an object doesn't enforce it's will on you doesn't mean the it can't be anyone's master. Just talk to an alcoholic about alcohol and a drug addict about drugs or even a millionare about money and you can see that.

The main thing is the distraction and every day there is more and more distractions that are placed in the path of Christians and some of them placed in a certain order to break us down piece by piece until be sheer frustration we erupt and loose sight of our purpose.

Am I wrong here?

 

[Chandler50]

That's why the church endures, because those who are false are found out and removed. We can never know when God is testing us and what manner that test takes. It could very well be how vigilant we are of the actions of those who claim to lead us.

Exactly, that is why Martin Luther was excommunicated. The Holy Spirt was protecting the Church from false doctrine.

 

[Chandler50]

I will not give you Bible referances to the known history of the churches attendants, which is well documented in history books.

Because it does not exist. I gave multiple references and direct quotes from the Bible and early church fathers. Some of whom spoke Greek and obviously knew the exact grammatical context and culture in which the NT were written.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Exactly, that is why Martin Luther was excommunicated. The Holy Spirt was protecting the Church from false doctrine.

Maybe, maybe not. Maybe it might have been because he called out those who abuse their authority in such instances like indulgences. Whistle blowers are often fired. So much so that a law was put in place to protect them.

 

[Chandler50]

We gotta watch all corners because we are dealing with those governed by Satan, with his guile and deception. We can't do this alone and we can't depend on others to be diligent for our part. We are in the drivers seat of our own destiny. Jesus is our GPS and Satan is the magnet that might be pulling the compass from the dirrection we should be aiming at.

So satan can influence Christ?

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Because it does not exist. I gave multiple references and direct quotes from the Bible and early church fathers. Some of whom spoke Greek and obviously knew the exact grammatical context and culture in which the NT were written.

You gave only scriptures that you attribute to meaning what you stated. Please don't tell me history isn't there because it is unfavorable to you.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

So satan can influence Christ?

I don't think you have enough silly putty in the world to make the connection between what I said and your responce.

 

[Chandler50]

Maybe, maybe not. Maybe it might have been because he called out those who abuse their authority in such instances like indulgences. Whistle blowers are often fired. So much so that a law was put in place to protect them.

I already addressed the issue of selling indulgences. Selling indulgences has never been approved by the Church, ever. That was happening at the local level by a few corrupt men. And Luther was not a 'whistle blower', don't give him that much credit. Other men were addressing this issue already. All Luther did was throw a hissy fit because reformation was not abiding by his schedule and decided to just form his own religion.

 

[Goatee]

I already addressed the issue of selling indulgences. Selling indulgences has never been approved by the Church, ever. That was happening at the local level by a few corrupt men. And Luther was not a 'whistle blower', don't give him that much credit. Other men were addressing this issue already. All Luther did was throw a hissy fit because reformation was not abiding by his schedule and decided to just form his own religion.

To be honest i am sure the Pope knew what was going on but turned a blind eye to it!