Refuting Sola Scriptura - Why the Bible Alone is Not Sufficient

[Chandler50]

Protestants are included cause the Holy Spirit also moves them.

Really, I did not know that the Holy Spirit had multiple personality disorder.

 

[Albion]

That is a distortion of the truth. Do you prefer the truth over distortions of the truth? All your Scripture references mean nothing when you avoid all the references that plainly state that the Lamb of God took away THE SIN OF THE WORLD.

But there are many verses that say, even more emphatically, that not everyone will be saved. No conclusion about who will be saved and why that's so can omit that testimony.

 

[tulipbee]

Lol, sure. That is why there are thousands of Christian denominations...

It's a branding thing. Naming of brands change but the flavor is the same since raw ingredients are used.

Say that to the 1,000s of denominations who have decided to read what they want from the Bible!!

 

[tulipbee]

Really, I did not know that the Holy Spirit had multiple personality disorder.

It's called trinity

 

[tulipbee]

But there are many verses that say, even more emphatically, that not everyone will be saved. No conclusion about who will be saved and why that's so can omit that testimony.

God knows exactly who His children are.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

How could they not? Christ said that hell would not prevail. Plain and simple. Man may sin and fail, but Christ' church cannot.

The church is not the men who hold offices in it. The church is an ideal that endures all things. Was the temple not destroied and rebuilt. Did God not return to it when the Israelites returned to him and remove himself when they strayed?

The final time was before Jesus came and even then he had to remove peopole who had perverted it's walls when he turned out the money changers.

 

[Crowns&Laurels]

Jesus Gave instructions in the NT. Its a pity that so many people have jumped ship or go on a different path!

He said to obey those who sit in the seat of Moses, but to not do as they do because they are hypocrites.

The Roman Church usurped the seat of Peter, and did exactly as the Pharisees. Therefore, the Pope couldn't possibly be the embodiment of Christ anymore then those who condemned Jesus in the first place.

 

[Chandler50]

It's called trinity

That was actually funny

 

[Goatee]

Some truths in what you say people.

But, the church of Jesus is 'Universal' 'Catholic'. The words of Christ say this. Tradition confirms this!

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

That was actually funny

There is nothing humorious about any presentation of the Bible. Too many people have died because of this and far more will not see what they would otherwise deserve to see if they had not been lead astray. Some are inspired. Some are tragic and some are just sad, beyond belief but the person who believes must make that decission for themselves. Hopefully they will not stop evaluating themselves and those they follow!

 

[Chandler50]

You brought up Martin Luther, so please don't ask my what I meant by including them in this thread.

As far as bringing questions to the Church, what Church do you mean. I have none because I've not yet found one that has not been tarnished by the sands of time and what the officials have allowed to come to pass within their walls.

Red-herring. I asked what the 95 Thesis had to do with people dividing over interpretations of the Bible. I never said Luther was not art of this. Obviously, he started the whole apostasy.

 

[tulipbee]

Some truths in what you say people.

But, the church of Jesus is 'Universal' 'Catholic'. The words of Christ say this. Tradition confirms this!

Welcome to the universal Catholic church where there are no traditions invented by men

 

[Chandler50]

For everyone's reference, what Martin Luther did when he broke off from the Church was an apostasy, not a schism. A schism means that Luther kept all of the same doctrine, however, didnot identify with the church anymore. Obviously, he changed tons of doctrine, so it is considered an apostasy sense he deviated from current doctrine to form his own religion.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Some truths in what you say people.

But, the church of Jesus is 'Universal' 'Catholic'. The words of Christ say this. Tradition confirms this!

Then, I hope for your part that your path is the one that prevails, then. I would like to see heaven, but If I don't, I would like to know that others will.

 

[Goatee]

For me, we are ALL brothers and sisters in Christ!

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Red-herring. I asked what the 95 Thesis had to do with people dividing over interpretations of the Bible. I never said Luther was not art of this. Obviously, he started the whole apostasy.

And now you attribute my calling out of a red herring to a post that I was not reffering to when I said that.

 

[Chandler50]

The church is not the men who hold offices in it. The church is an ideal that endures all things. Was the temple not destroied and rebuilt. Did God not return to it when the Israelites returned to him and remove himself when they strayed?

The final time was before Jesus came and even then he had to remove peopole who had perverted it's walls when he turned out the money changers.

The difference is Christ foretold the destruction of the temple. If Christ says the temple will be destroyed, then His word be done. If Christ says his Church will prevail of Hell, then his word be done.

Also, where is your reference to Christ stating that he meant the church as an ideal? I see no evidence for that in the Greek or from any of the church fathers. In fact just two chapters after Christ gives Peter the keys, Christ says:

"If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile or a tax collector" Matthew 18:17

Christ refers to the church as an institution. A concrete, real, organization. Not an ideal. And this makes sense because he had just told Peter that the church would be built upon Peter.

So again I ask, what evidence do you have that Christ refers to the Church as an ideal in Matt 16?

 

[Chandler50]

Welcome to the universal Catholic church where there are no traditions invented by men

Now you get it.

 

[Chandler50]

And now you attribute my calling out of a red herring to a post that I was not reffering to when I said that.

No, you asked why I was asking what Martin Luther had to do with this. That is a red-herring, because I asked what his 95 Thesis had to do with this, not Martin Luther.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

The difference is Christ foretold the destruction of the temple. If Christ says the temple will be destroyed, then His word be done. If Christ says his Church will prevail of Hell, then his word be done.

Also, where is your reference to Christ stating that he meant the church as an ideal? I see no evidence for that in the Greek or from any of the church fathers. In fact just two chapters after Christ gives Peter the keys, Christ says:

"If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile or a tax collector" Matthew 18:17

Christ refers to the church as an institution. A concrete, real, organization. Not an ideal. And this makes sense because he had just told Peter that the church would be built upon Peter.

So again I ask, what evidence do you have that Christ refers to the Church as an ideal in Matt 16?

Religion is an ideal. The Church is a structure whose inhabitants have not always arisen to the standards of Christ. The church was built on Peter, but Petter died and others took his place.