Kentucky County Clerk Kim Davis Jailed for Not Issuing Gay Marriage Licenses

[HonestTruth]

Are there any examples out there of other officials who defied the law out of conscience? It would be interesting to look at those and see the reactions of people.

the South seceded and caused the Civil war because in their twisted minds they were exercising their rights of conscience

 

[Dave Ellis]

Yes, the resistance fighters against Nazi Germany's unlawful and against God's Laws, rulers and minions, who tried to excuse themselves from guilt whenever they were hunted down and brought to trial, as "only obeying the law of the land".

The Nazis believed they were operating via god's laws.... in fact a great deal of Hitler's anti-Semitism was credited directly to the writings of Martin Luther and the bible.

That's the problem with groups who claim to live by god's laws... anybody can attribute any law they want to their god, and there's no way to fact-check anyone's claims.

 

[golgotha61]

What if a wahabbi style Muslim became clerk?

Could he just run the office per his religious conscience, until his term was up???

Thats not her situation.

She can resign and free herself from all obligation to enable gay marriages.

There in lies part of the rub. She was already employed and the government intruded on her religious conscience. Do you honestly think that the SCOTUS was not aware that their ruling would impose on those who were already government workers who would be made to deny their religious doctrines? No Christian should have to resign from their job in order to obey a ruling that is in direct contradiction of their religious beliefs and is imposed on them during their already secure employment. She did not seek employment with this ruling in effect already, it was imposed on her.

 

[golgotha61]

The Nazis believed they were operating via god's laws.... in fact a great deal of Hitler's anti-Semitism was credited directly to the writings of Martin Luther and the bible.

That's the problem with groups who claim to live by god's laws... anybody can attribute any law they want to their god, and there's no way to fact-check anyone's claims.

Hitler was using that excuse for his own purposes. There was no adherence to any religious doctrine that he held to as sacred. In fact, history teaches us that Hitler was an enemy of the Judeo-Christian philosophy and a familiarization with the life of Dietrich Bonhoeffer will make this very plain. The belief of this clerk and the sacredness of marriage in God's plan is not something that is divined from Scripture; it is not a hidden doctrine. The sacredness of marriage is well established and clear all through the Bible. What Kim did is a righteous deed.

 

[bhsmte]

Are there any examples out there of other officials who defied the law out of conscience? It would be interesting to look at those and see the reactions of people.

George Wallace refused to follow the federal order to allow blacks to enroll at the University of Alabama. He even stood on the steps and claimed he wouldn't allow the blacks to enter the building. After the army showed up, he had second thoughts.

 

[SepiaAndDust]

There in lies part of the rub. She was already employed and the government intruded on her religious conscience. Do you honestly think that the SCOTUS was not aware that their ruling would impose on those who were already government workers who would be made to deny their religious doctrines? No Christian should have to resign from their job in order to obey a ruling that is in direct contradiction of their religious beliefs and is imposed on them during their already secure employment. She did not seek employment with this ruling in effect already, it was imposed on her.

Doesn't matter. Her job is to uphold the law, no matter what that law might be. Otherwise, every little department of every municipality would have a different set of laws based on when the office-holder took the position.

 

[dude99]

The Nazis believed they were operating via god's laws.... in fact a great deal of Hitler's anti-Semitism was credited directly to the writings of Martin Luther and the bible.

That's the problem with groups who claim to live by god's laws... anybody can attribute any law they want to their god, and there's no way to fact-check anyone's claims.

Hitler was opposed to Christianity, yet early in his regime he showed he supported it but privately he opposed it and later in his regime and strived to replace Christianity with a new Nazi church where there was no God, but Hitler instead of God is the messiah.

Hitler embraced social Darwinism, which took Charles Darwin ideas on the theory of Evolution on the survival of the fittest of plants and animals and then placed that theory on human races. He saw that the Aryan race is superiour and the Jews are inferior.

Hitler exalted evolution itself to the status of a moral absolute--everything that advances evolution is morally good and everything that hinders it is immoral. Since he viewed the Aryan race as the most advanced race on the earth, indeed the only race capable of creating civilization and a higher culture, this came to mean that whatever promotes the expansion of the Aryan race was good and whatever hindered their expansion was evil. Hitler sincerely believed that his policies and decisions were good and beneficial. His pursuit of a "noble ideal" to benefit abstract humanity in a universe without God, without morality, and without human rights, produced intense suffering, horror, and destruction for real people.https://www.csustan.edu/history/roots-hitlers-evil

 

[Hank77]

No Christian should have to resign from their job in order to obey a ruling that is in direct contradiction of their religious beliefs and is imposed on them during their already secure employment. She did not seek employment with this ruling in effect already, it was imposed on her.

Really?
That sounds like an extreme leftist liberal idea.

Since when if my employer changes my job description can I just refuse to do it and think I should be paid? Especially by the taxpayers.
That goes against every conservative, libertarian idea that I hold dear.

 

[pat34lee]

The Nazis believed they were operating via god's laws.... in fact a great deal of Hitler's anti-Semitism was credited directly to the writings of Martin Luther and the bible.

That is so wrong, it should be reportable as a lie. Hitler hated the church and any other possible opposition to his control. His view of favored and undesirable races came from Darwin and evolution.

 

[loveofourlord]

That is so wrong, it should be reportable as a lie. Hitler hated the church and any other possible opposition to his control. His view of favored and undesirable races came from Darwin and evolution.

Funny your now lying, he rejected evolution and the very concept.

 

[pat34lee]

I don't think the judge in this case had a legal leg to stand on. She could not have been discriminating because she did not give marriage licenses to anyone, straight or homosexual.

 

[pat34lee]

Funny your now lying, he rejected evolution and the very concept.

Wrong. You don't get a master race and lower races without evolution.

 

[bhsmte]

I don't think the judge in this case had a legal leg to stand on. She could not have been discriminating because she did not give marriage licenses to anyone, straight or homosexual.

Is it your opinion then, that the judge should have done nothing and this women should have been allowed to not do her job she took an oath for and be able to remain in her position?

 

[pat34lee]

Is it your opinion then, that the judge should have done nothing and this women should have been allowed to not do her job she took an oath for and be able to remain in her position?

Why not? Most, if not all, of Congress and our President have broken their oaths of office and nobody is trying to oust them.

 

[pat34lee]

Why not? Most, if not all, of Congress and our President have broken their oaths of office and nobody is trying to oust them. Regard for the law must start at the top.

 

[bhsmte]

Why not? Most, if not all, of Congress and our President have broken their oaths of office and nobody is trying to oust them.

You can say that all you like, but you need to have a legal argument to support it. Claiming it, does not make it true.

The legal argument based on law is rock solid the clerk is not following the law.

 

[smaneck]

Is Kim Davis engaging in passive resistance, because her right to religious freedom is being violated?

How is her religious freedom being violated?

Because it is a lie to say that a gay relationship constitutes "a marriage," would it be a sin for her to issue gay marriage licenses, which is "approving of sin?"

She is not asking to approve of the marriage. Could she as county clerk and Christian deny a divorcee a marriage license as well?

Or, is Kim Davis rightfully in jail, because she did not do her job, and we cannot let government employees pick and choose which orders to follow?

It seems to me that if a Christian is asked to do something at their job which they deem unconscionable, the correct response would be to resign.

Conversely, what would happen if we forced everyone to obey the government under all circumstances?

In her case, she is free to quit. A more difficult situation might be that of a Christian in the military who regards an command as immoral. A soldier is not free to quit. I would say that in this case, suffering the consequence of disobedience may be preferable, especially if lives are at stake.

 

[smaneck]

But an official who doesn't follow immigration law would get a wink.

You mean like Sheriff Joe Arpaio?

 

[smaneck]

"Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." [Matthew 5:10]

She is not doing it for righteousness' sake. Out of righteousness she would have resigned. But she wants her cake (i.e. 80K job) and eat it too.

 

[bhsmte]

She is not doing it for righteousness' sake. Out of righteousness she would have resigned. But she wants her cake (i.e. 80K job) and eat it too.

And maybe even cause the state to spend additional money, to have her impeached.