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Easy to make things up in science

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It attempts to. Our postmodern culture simply assumes we can measure constructs the way we can measure actual things. The amount of math we go through trying to represent those hise constructs in a study resembles s Rube Goldberg device. Science is s process for observable phdnomena. Start measuring constructs and you're going to have limited success with application and replication.
Behaviour isn't observable phenomena?
 
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Behaviour isn't observable phenomena?

Behavior is an observable phenomena and can even be predicted if one has higher knowledge than the being that is under observation.

We observe animals and can easily predict their behavior. Therefore, its not difficult for me to imagine a being higher than myself that can observe me and predict what I'm going to do.

Animals can trust that humans who just want to observe them are not going to hurt them. This would then imply that I can trust that the higher being observing me does not want to hurt me, but only teach me.
 
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Behavior is an observable phenomena and can even be predicted if one has higher knowledge than the being that is under observation.

We observe animals and can easily predict their behavior. Therefore, its not difficult for me to imagine a being higher than myself that can observe me and predict what I'm going to do.

Animals can trust that humans who just want to observe them are not going to hurt them. This would then imply that I can trust that the higher being observing me does not want to hurt me, but only teach me.
You can imagine all you like.
 
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You can imagine all you like.

Animals are not capable of believing, which is why we could never prove to them that we just want to observe and not hurt them. Humans are capable of believing, which is why its reasonable to believe that there is higher beings than ourselves who can observe us and just want to teach us. This is reasonable because we observe a similar relationship between man and animals and even man and children.
 
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Animals are not capable of believing, which is why we could never prove to them that we just want to observe and not hurt them. Humans are capable of believing, which is why its reasonable to believe that there is higher beings than ourselves who can observe us and just want to teach us. This is reasonable because we observe a similar relationship between man and animals and even man and children.

My cats believe that I will feed them. That's why they pester me and not my wife.
 
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Animals are not capable of believing, which is why we could never prove to them that we just want to observe and not hurt them. Humans are capable of believing, which is why its reasonable to believe that there is higher beings than ourselves who can observe us and just want to teach us. This is reasonable because we observe a similar relationship between man and animals and even man and children.
How does that follow? Your argument seems to be missing several steps.
 
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My cats believe that I will feed them. That's why they pester me and not my wife.

Good point, they believe you will feed them because they trust you. They would not believe you would feed them if they didn't trust you. I'll rephrase and say animals are not capable of gaining the knowledge we can gain. Which then implies that we are not capable of gaining the knowledge that God intrinsically has, because we are not God. Just like animals are not human.
 
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How does that follow? Your argument seems to be missing several steps.

I only offer arguments that make sense because I can't prove any of this, but since it makes sense, its easier to believe until proven wrong.
 
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How does that follow? Your argument seems to be missing several steps.

It'd be like one lion asking another lion to prove that that human in that truck is not going to hurt them, the other lion would have no way of proving this because it can't even talk in order to ask the human if it will hurt them. You can think and talk which gives you a great advantage over a lion in actually figuring out the truth about life. Think deeply about the meaning of truth, don't just think freely about ideas of what is true.

Just some thoughts :)
 
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"Might be true." ^_^ You haven't done a thing to show that it is true or that we should believe it.

I've made sense of life and have offered you a chance to believe what makes sense and you have denied that it makes sense. I can't control your free will to deny what makes sense and neither can God.

Atheists think they're free to not believe anything about origins of the universe and life, but only believe whats convenient for at the moment when they need something to deny the existence of God. I'll admit atheists do think freely about ideas, but they fail to think deeply about meaning.
 
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I've made sense of life and have offered you a chance to believe what makes sense and you have denied that it makes sense. I can't control your free will to deny what makes sense and neither can God.
You haven't shown that it makes sense. You've just asserted it, again and again.
 
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You haven't shown that it makes sense. You've just asserted it, again and again.

Does Stephen Hawking assert that God does not need to exist? Yet the only way to make sense of this is to create imaginary concepts. Its a good thing we all have brains and don't have to rely on Stephen Hawking's or anyone else's brain to realize whats true.
 
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Does Stephen Hawking assert that God does not need to exist? Yet the only way to make sense of this is to create imaginary concepts. Its a good thing we all have brains and don't have to rely on Stephen Hawking's or anyone else's brain to realize whats true.
More empty assertions from you.
 
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