Is God a liar?

[Aman777]

They didn't know these things. You are taking your knowledge and adding it to the text. This is known as "eisegesis" (=reading into the text what you want to see there) as opposed to the proper way of interpreting scripture which is "exegesis" (reading from the text what the author intended).

False, since God told us HOW He hid His Truth and WHEN we would be able to understand what He wrote in the Bible.

Daniel 12:4
But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

We live today in the last days and it's time for Christians to stand up and REFUTE the False Theory of Evolution. We can do this by showing that God's Truth in Genesis agrees in every way with every Truth of Science and History showing that ONLY God could have possibly written of the latest scientific discoveries thousands of years ago, in Genesis.

What is being taught today is the view of ancient men who THOUGHT they understood what God had hidden from them. Amen?

 

[Meowzltov]

Then please explain HOW ancient men (who you suppose wrote the Bible) knew:

That we live in a Multiverse composed of 3 Universes/Heavens. Gen 1:8 and Gen 2:4
That the Big Bang of our Cosmos was on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4
That the first Stars of our Cosmos didn't light up until the 4th Day. Gen 1:16

Since the dating of how long it was between the BB and the first Stars was just confirmed in Feb 2015, tell us HOW ancient men knew these things. I don't think you can. Fool me.

I don't think they knew anything of the sort. I think your post is a bunch of hogwash. In Genesis it STARTS OFF with Earth already having been created (In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth) before the end of the first day. And you are saying the Big Bang didn't happen until Day 3? Ha! The Big Bang was the very FIRST thing to have happened! It was the moment of the creation of the entire universe.

 

[Meowzltov]

bump

 

[Meowzltov]

You are making the assumption that the dating methods are accurate, but the rely on too many assumptions based on how much radioactive material they had in them in the first place. Plus the fossil record doesn't show any change, in fact many evolutionists realise that is does and that they use the evolutionary stasis, meaning changing unchanging.

No evolutionist thinks that the fossil record doesn't show punctuated change. You are smart but ignorant. I think you have been ingesting bogus stuff from ICR for too long. Evolution doesn't negate a creator. Evolution is God's "how" of creation; it is His modus operendi.

 

[Aman777]

I don't think they knew anything of the sort. 1, I think your post is a bunch of hogwash.

2. In Genesis it STARTS OFF with Earth already having been created (In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth) before the end of the first day. And you are saying the Big Bang didn't happen until Day 3? Ha! The Big Bang was the very FIRST thing to have happened! It was the moment of the creation of the entire universe.

1. It's NOT my words but the Words of the Spirit of Truth which you are denying.

2. Correction: When God created the three elements which would be used to make a perfect physical world which will be forever, He created heaven, which in Hebrew can mean air and the earth, (Heb. ground) but the earth/ground was without form and empty and darkness or death was upon the surface of the water, which was not created since it came from the air or heaven which was created FIRST.

Can you tell us HOW God defeated the death which was upon everything He brought into the physical world?

 

[Meowzltov]

1. It's NOT my words but the Words of the Spirit of Truth which you are denying.

Very presumptuous of you. I believe my words to be true also, but I would never say that I'm speaking for God -- that's almost blasphemous.

 

[Meowzltov]

2. Correction: When God created the three elements which would be used to make a perfect physical world which will be forever, He created heaven, which in Hebrew can mean air and the earth, (Heb. ground) but the earth/ground was without form and empty and darkness or death was upon the surface of the water, which was not created since it came from the air or heaven which was created FIRST.

The point is that God didn't create the earth before the Big Bang. The Big Bang precedes the creation of all matter.

 

[Aman777]

Very presumptuous of you. I believe my words to be true also, but I would never say that I'm speaking for God -- that's almost blasphemous.

You must have forgotten my post which is filled with God's Holy Word which was authored by the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth. He speaks for God:

>>>>>Aman777 said: ↑
Then please explain HOW ancient men (who you suppose wrote the Bible) knew:

That we live in a Multiverse composed of 3 Universes/Heavens. Gen 1:8 and Gen 2:4
That the Big Bang of our Cosmos was on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4
That the first Stars of our Cosmos didn't light up until the 4th Day. Gen 1:16

Since the dating of how long it was between the BB and the first Stars was just confirmed in Feb 2015, tell us HOW ancient men knew these things. I don't think you can. Fool me.<<<<<<<<

Since I listed the Holy Spirit's words and told you "1. It's NOT my words but the Words of the Spirit of Truth which you are denying". WHY do you falsely accuse me of "speaking for God" as you ignore the Scriptural references I posted?

 

[Aman777]

The point is that God didn't create the earth before the Big Bang. The Big Bang precedes the creation of all matter.

False since Adam's firmament was made on the 2nd Day. Gen 1:6-8 Other firmaments, which God called Heaven, were made on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4 Did you forget about these? What it shows is that God made a Multiverse composed of at least 3 Heavens by the 3rd Day of Creation. Can you explain WHY your "scholars" missed that one? i can.

 

[Meowzltov]

You must have forgotten my post which is filled with God's Holy Word which was authored by the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth. He speaks for God:

Your post contained all sorts of stuff that was in addition to scripture. Scripture i.e. never mentions the Big Bang. THat's YOU talking.

 

[Meowzltov]

False since Adam's firmament was made on the 2nd Day. Gen 1:6-8 Other firmaments, which God called Heaven, were made on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4 Did you forget about these? What it shows is that God made a Multiverse composed of at least 3 Heavens by the 3rd Day of Creation. Can you explain WHY your "scholars" missed that one? i can.

According to Genesis 1:1, God created the earth first, on the first day. Therefore the Big Bang could not have happened on the third day, since the Big Bang happened before the existence of matter. It happened before the existence of the earth. Give up your silly tries at making Genesis meld with science.

 

[Aman777]

Your post contained all sorts of stuff that was in addition to scripture. Scripture i.e. never mentions the Big Bang. THat's YOU talking.

Amen. I should have posted the beginning of our Cosmos. I usually post Big Bang in order that unbelievers can understand that I am speaking of the beginning of our world. Adam's firmament/heaven was made the 2nd Day Gen 1:6-8 and our firmament/heaven was made the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4 Amen?

 

[Aman777]

According to Genesis 1:1, God created the earth first, on the first day. Therefore the Big Bang could not have happened on the third day, since the Big Bang happened before the existence of matter. It happened before the existence of the earth. Give up your silly tries at making Genesis meld with science.

Gen 1:1-2 does NOT say that God created Planet Earth on the first Day. What it says is that God created the heaven (Heb-air) and the earth (Heb-ground)...BUT...the ground was without FORM and void or empty and darkness (death) was upon the face of the deep (water).

IOW, God created the air, dust, and water of which EVERYTHING physical will be made but death was upon His creation and anything made from these 3 creation elements will be subject to DEATH. This "moved" God and He said...

Let there be Light and YHWH/Jesus came into the physical world to mold the clay and destroy DEATH. His work continues today because: 1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

The destruction of DEATH will come at the Judgment, when Death and Hell will be cast into the lake of fire.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Then, the present 6th Day of Creation will finally be over or FINISHED and brought to perfection and ALL the host of heaven (Christians) will be safely in heaven. Gen 2:1

 

[Meowzltov]

Amen. I should have posted the beginning of our Cosmos. I usually post Big Bang in order that unbelievers can understand that I am speaking of the beginning of our world. Adam's firmament/heaven was made the 2nd Day Gen 1:6-8 and our firmament/heaven was made the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4 Amen?

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[Meowzltov]

Gen 1:1-2 does NOT say that God created Planet Earth on the first Day. What it says is that God created the heaven (Heb-air) and the earth (Heb-ground)...BUT...the ground was without FORM and void or empty and darkness (death) was upon the face of the deep (water).

IOW, God created the air, dust, and water of which EVERYTHING physical will be made but death was upon His creation and anything made from these 3 creation elements will be subject to DEATH. This "moved" God and He said...

Let there be Light and YHWH/Jesus came into the physical world to mold the clay and destroy DEATH. His work continues today because: 1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

The destruction of DEATH will come at the Judgment, when Death and Hell will be cast into the lake of fire.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Then, the present 6th Day of Creation will finally be over or FINISHED and brought to perfection and ALL the host of heaven (Christians) will be safely in heaven. Gen 2:1

It bears no resemblence to how it historically/scientifically happened.

 

[Aman777]

Sigh*

Please try to be a little more specific. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

It bears no resemblence to how it historically/scientifically happened.

Sure it does. A good example is the Fact that our 2nd Heaven/firmament/Cosmos was made on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4 AND the first Stars lit up on the 4th Day Gen 1:16

This is interesting since this was just discovered in 2015, THIS YEAR by Satellites. What they found was it was some 550 Million years AFTER the Big Bang before the first Stars lit up. This gives us an idea of how long a Day (Yowm-period of work) is to God. It's certainly NOT just 24 hours.

The problem is with one's interpretation. When you actually understand Genesis 1, you will see that it is the entire HISTORY of the present 6th Day, including events which will NOT happen until AFTER Jesus returns to save ALL flesh from total extinction. Mat 24:22

 

[Meowzltov]

Please try to be a little more specific. Amen?
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A sigh is pretty specific. It certainly doesn't mean amen.

 

[Meowzltov]

Sure it does. A good example is the Fact that our 2nd Heaven/firmament/Cosmos was made on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4 AND the first Stars lit up on the 4th Day Gen 1:16

You can't get around the fact that in GEnesis 1, the earth was made on day one, before the stars lit up. That's the reverse order that science states.

 

[Aman777]

You can't get around the fact that in GEnesis 1, the earth was made on day one, before the stars lit up. That's the reverse order that science states.

Amen, the earth (Heb-ground) was made on the 1st Day but it was without FORM which means that it was not shaped into a Planet.

Science is confused because they THINK the Big Bang was the beginning of everything since they reject God's Word which tells us that the beginning of our Universe was on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4 They REJECT God's Truth because they cannot find evidence of a time BEFORE the Big Bang.

IF you think that Planet Earth was made on the 1st Day, then WHAT was the "Earth" which was made on the 3rd Day? Gen 1:9-10

Gen 1:9 ¶ And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.