Some things I just don't think most of you understand...

[joshua 1 9]

You have never seen any evidence for that? why are some Gabonese people immune to Ebola then?
some people were immune to the Black Death that swept through Europe and killed 100 million people.
Where do you study evolution in church?

I am amazed that you bring up the black death. It was the people that followed the teaching of Moses in the Bible that were delivered from the plague of that disease. It is well known that the Jewish communities followed the sanitary laws in the Bible so they escaped the ravages of that disease.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Specifically, neutral mutations do not increase or decrease fitness. Neutral mutations can still have an effect, even if it is as small as changing the DNA sequence of a genome.



I would agree that it is most likely that harmful mutations are more common than beneficial mutations, but much less common than neutral mutations.



I have given you the evidence, which you have ignored.

Your evidence is nonsense. You have presented not one speck of valid evidence that mutations can bring about positive evolutionary changes.

 

[Loudmouth]

Your evidence is nonsense. You have presented not one speck of valid evidence that mutations can bring about positive evolutionary changes.

The usual creationist reaction to science.

 

[joshua 1 9]

The usual creationist reaction to science.

Don't you mean the usual evolutionist reaction to the evidence supporting creationism.

 

[bhsmte]

Don't you mean the usual evolutionist reaction to the evidence supporting creationism.

What evidence supporting creationism?

 

[joshua 1 9]

What evidence supporting creationism?

I am glad you asked. All the evidence you use for evolution can be better explained by creationism. Creationists do owe a debt of gratitude to evolutionists for all the work they put into gathering the evidence for us.

 

[bhsmte]

I am glad you asked. All the evidence you use for evolution can be better explained by creationism. Creationists do owe a debt of gratitude to evolutionists for all the work they put into gathering the evidence for us.

Go ahead, explain how the evidence supports creationism.

 

[paulm50]

Gradualism may work for Geology but evolution happens very fast in radiations or explosions.

Link to the proof please.

 

[paulm50]

Evolution needs gradualism, catastrophism is creationism.

So you agree with evolution.

Your problem with the Catastrophe effect is that the catastrophe may be sudden or like climate change happen over 100-200 years. That doesn't bring an immediate effect on the species. It allows some of the existing species to rise to up the species chain. This can have a huge effect on their evolution.

To claim god created Asteroids hitting Earth, climate change, Volcanic eruptions are the work of god. Goaes back to very ancient times when everything they didn't understand was the work of a god.

And requires abandoning the Christian religion.

 

[Aardverk]

........ there is a theory that mutations are beneficial, but I have never seen any evidence for that.

Here is an example of a very beneficial mutation that I posted earlier.
http://www.pnas.org/content/105/23/7899

 

[Jan Volkes]

I am amazed that you bring up the black death. It was the people that followed the teaching of Moses in the Bible that were delivered from the plague of that disease. It is well known that the Jewish communities followed the sanitary laws in the Bible so they escaped the ravages of that disease.

I think that tells us all we need to know about you.

 

[Larniavc]

unless that individuals descendants are the entire population?

Yes.

The is exactly what eventually happens if the survival advantage is selected for.

 

[joshua 1 9]

So you agree with evolution.

There is a lot of truth mixed in with a lot of error. Evolution does not have any practical application so there is no pressure to keep them honest.

 

[joshua 1 9]

What evidence supporting creationism?

I consider theistic evolution to be creationism. Usually these conversations turn into an attempt to control the meaning of words.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Link to the proof please.

You want proof for punctuated evolution? It is up to people like Gould, Eldredge and others to present the evidence or proof for their theory. Are you rejecting the theory of punctuated evolution? If so then what model are you using?

 

[AV1611VET]

I consider theistic evolution to be creationism.

So do I.

And I have stated it here several times.

As Wikipedia puts it:

Theistic evolution, theistic evolutionism or evolutionary creationism are ...

SOURCE

 

[bhsmte]

I consider theistic evolution to be creationism. Usually these conversations turn into an attempt to control the meaning of words.

Well, when people are polled with specific questions about evolution, the theists will state they believe the explanation evolution provides is correct and they vary on what role God played in the process, but they agree with the theory.

Again, the majority of Christians, agree with the theory of evolution and what it states about how life evolved.

 

[bhsmte]

There is a lot of truth mixed in with a lot of error. Evolution does not have any practical application so there is no pressure to keep them honest.

No practical application to the theory of evolution?

Why don't you ask the professionals who work in medical science and the Phd biologists, how they use the theory in their everyday work.

SFS is a Phd biologist (and Christian) and he is on this site and he has explained many times, how crucial the theory is to his work.

 

[Loudmouth]

Don't you mean the usual evolutionist reaction to the evidence supporting creationism.

Notice that I am the one who presented the evidence. I gave you the paper written by the Lederberg's that outlined the emergence of beneficial mutations. I cited a paper that listed the specific DNA mutations that give rise to those same streptomycin resistance phenotypes. You didn't even address it. Why?

 

[Loudmouth]

I am glad you asked. All the evidence you use for evolution can be better explained by creationism. Creationists do owe a debt of gratitude to evolutionists for all the work they put into gathering the evidence for us.

That is an assertion, not evidence.

Where is the evidence for creationism?