American Dentist Identified as Killer of Famed Lion in Zimbabwe

[Toro]

I just read that he may face 15 years in prison what a joke..

How about having Nuremberg Trials for people engaging in the slaughter house, lol..

If this guy is actually looking at 15 years it IS a joke. But that is the justice system we live under. (Unless he is over there, then he is bound by their laws)

I dated a woman that was raped at 14, brutally stabbed and left for dead in a ditch. She lived, but the guys that did that to her were found guilty and served 6months in prison because there wasn't enough room...... obviously they had to hold someone for possession of a plant instead.

I don't agree with it, but how bout we save prison for ACTUAL criminals. We would have more room to house the actual dangers to society if we weren't concerned about who was doing what to their bodies.

I dont agree with drugs any more that I have gotten older. But if someone wants to throw their life away....... thats on them... no reason to lock them up for a decade or so simply cause they chose to escape the world in less legal ways than booze.

Now if they are preying on kids to make money.... then they become a problem.... but unless you catch them in the act of trying to do such a thing..... assume they are dealing with consenting adults and don't rank them or others breaking minor laws up there with murders and rapist.

 

[KitKatMatt]

The 15 years would be under Zimbabwean law. He's being prosecuted by the country where he poached Cecil.

 

[Toro]

The 15 years would be under Zimbabwean law. He's being prosecuted by the country where he poached Cecil.

Oh, well then..... he went over to a different country and broke their law..... he is bound by punishment of that law.

Its not like he went over to a different country.... saw a womans feet and is now on death row for seeing a married womans feet. He pulled the trigger to kill something on another countries soil, which was an action. Actions have consequences.

 

[JCFantasy23]

I can condone hunting of animals like deer, elk, duck, pheasant, etc. But big game is almost always targeting endangered species and is more about selfish sport than survival. I loathe it.

I agree. Big game hunting is reprehensible.

 

[EyesOfKohl]

The US should extradite the man back to Zimbabwe. Then leave him in the wild to be eaten by the remaining lions family.

He shot it with an arrow in which I believe they had to then track it for 40 hours, before one of the other hunters finished it off with a gun. It struggled for all this time in pain.

On a serious note, since I know no one would actually follow through with it...

They should imprison him in Zimbabwe. He wouldn't last long in there.

 

[KitKatMatt]

He's being prosecuted by the country, and if convicted will serve 15 years in Zimbabwe (if I understood what I have read).

 

[SnowyMacie]

He's being prosecuted by the country, and if convicted will serve 15 years in Zimbabwe (if I understood what I have read).

If the U.S. chooses to extradite him or not.

 

[Blue Wren]

I don't think, he deserves death threats, and such, no. I do think, he deserves the condemnation, from around the world, at his vile & cowardly actions.

I hope, that he is extradited. Or, at the least, made to pay a fine, or something. Idk how that works, legally.

 

[High Fidelity]

If the U.S. chooses to extradite him or not.

I hope they do. It's only fair. The U.S. makes quite a few extradition requests and spit their dummy out if they don't comply.

 

[SnowyMacie]

I hope they do. It's only fair. The U.S. makes quite a few extradition requests and spit their dummy out if they don't comply.

It's also the United States Federal Government, they kind of do what they want. I hope they do as well. That's going to send a message to the world saying "U.S. citizens don't have to follow your laws."

 

[Tom Mix]

A man who is created in the image of God is to be sentenced to death or a long sentence for a simple animal. Do we not respect the human anymore.

Big game hunting is a legal sport and the man paid money for the guide to find him sport. The guide mis-lead him and but the man did nothing wrong.

Could you imagine if King David killed a lion today like he did as a young Shepard it would be big news and then follow up stories of how he should be prosecute.

We live in a world where man no longer thinks for himself but the news has to tell us what to think.

This is a human man who is way above the worth of the lion. Putting him in prison for an animal is just wrong. Give him a fine if he is guilty of something of which I do not yet see but prison, we have devalued the human for so long that anybody can kill one and nobody cares, but if you mess with a dog or a lion then that is bad.

 

[William67]

Pretty much. Don't get me wrong, I can see aspects of hunting as incredibly appealing -- that is, learning the skills to track effectively and pit your wits against theirs in some ways, but I still don't really see the need to kill an animal once you've successfully tracked it.

Right. I understanding hunting is going to happen whether I like it or not, just as animals will be bread for consumption whether I or anyone else like it or not, but whenever whatever animal meets its end, I'd at least hope it was swift and painless.

I hunt every fall. I grew up hunting. Hunting fees pay for most of the parks and reserves in the US. Since most of the predators were killed out over a hundred years ago, hunting helps keep animal populations under control. You really don't want to try and reintroduce predatory species near populated areas. And animals like deer, bear, and boar are all over, including populated areas. In fact, boar, which is an invasive species cant be killed fast enough. They are destroying agriculture and even cemeteries. Hunting is the only way to even begin to control them. Some areas are even offering a bounty on boars. And they are dangerous. They can turn on a person and, using their tusks, can rip your leg open from ankle to groin.

 

[KitKatMatt]

A man who is created in the image of God is to be sentenced to death or a long sentence for a simple animal. Do we not respect the human anymore.

Big game hunting is a legal sport and the man paid money for the guide to find him sport. The guide mis-lead him and but the man did nothing wrong.

Wait, I heard he was facing a possible 15 years for his crime. Do you have any links that say he's being sentenced to death?

He did not hunt this lion legally. The lion was lured out of a no-hunting zone where he and his pride lived, and the lion was also part of a study and NOT legal to be hunted. They even tried to hide the lion's collar after illegally cutting it off of his dead body.

 

[SnowyMacie]

A man who is created in the image of God is to be sentenced to death or a long sentence for a simple animal. Do we not respect the human anymore.

Big game hunting is a legal sport and the man paid money for the guide to find him sport. The guide mis-lead him and but the man did nothing wrong.

Could you imagine if King David killed a lion today like he did as a young Shepard it would be big news and then follow up stories of how he should be prosecute.

We live in a world where man no longer thinks for himself but the news has to tell us what to think.

This is a human man who is way above the worth of the lion. Putting him in prison for an animal is just wrong. Give him a fine if he is guilty of something of which I do not yet see but prison, we have devalued the human for so long that anybody can kill one and nobody cares, but if you mess with a dog or a lion then that is bad.

First off, he potentially faces 15 years, not death. Secondly, it is completely legal to kill lions in Zimbabwe. It's not really the question of what he killed, but where he killed it and which one. I think it is completely possible the guides he hired did completely mislead him into believing the hunt was entirely legal, but it's just as entirely possible he knew exactly what he was doing from the beginning. That's for the legal trial to decide.

 

[toastface_grillah]

I'm probably one of very few people who doesn't care about the lion. I'm frustrated that there's been such a huge uproar over Cecil and comparatively little for Sandra Bland and others who've died in similar circumstances, aside from "they probably brought it on themselves."
Seriously? We're going to flip our lids over an animal 6,000 miles away, but if someone dies because of a traffic stop, we're going to blame them 100%?
/endrant

 

[William67]

I'm probably one of very few people who doesn't care about the lion. I'm frustrated that there's been such a huge uproar over Cecil and comparatively little for Sandra Bland and others who've died in similar circumstances, aside from "they probably brought it on themselves."
Seriously? We're going to flip our lids over an animal 6,000 miles away, but if someone dies because of a traffic stop, we're going to blame them 100%?
/endrant

Only tree huggers care about the lion. As for Bland, she admitted on her FB page that she was suffering from depression. She was shown alive on video after her mug shot was taken. The cops had no idea she was depressed. She was the one who tied the bag around her neck and hung herself. She didn't die because of a traffic stop. She died because she was depressed and decided to throw away the gift God had given her.

 

[Gnarwhal]

The idea that only "tree huggers" care about the lion is simply idiotic. I'm not a tree hugger, but I care about preserving the environment and looking after animals that are at-risk and endangered.

What kind of sociopathic lunacy believes that a low population of anything means it's A-okay to hunt?

"Hey it's the last white rhino, hand me my rifle—I want it's head on my mantle!"

That's disgusting.

I wouldn't care if this dentist were hunting deer, elk, moose, caribou, or something like those animals because those populations are plentiful. A lion is a threatened species, and a male lion is an important component of that ecosystem.

That dentist is a disease, a virus. Thinking like his is why God's creation has been raped and pillaged the way it has the past few centuries, and if mankind continues permitting behavior like his then we'll bring about our own extinction because the resources we so heavily depend on and so substantially consume will be gone before we know it. Then what? We'll be left with our thumbs up our rears because we haven't been proper stewards of God's creation as he instructed us to be.

 

[William67]

I don't see many actual Conservatives calling for this guys head. And do you know who is actually causing these animals to go extinct? It isn't hunters like this dentist. Its Africans who kill the animals to protect their herds and to open new land for farming.

Ranting about this one guy is absurd. And they actually had a story about what the people of Zimbabwe thought about it. They couldn't understand why Americans were so upset. This is the same country where you can buy a One BILLION Zimbabwe bank note on ebay for a couple of bucks. You would think that the financial crisis in that country would be news. You would think it Americans would be upset that the Zimbabwe govt is actually having people killed. But no, its about some rich moron killing an old lion. The fact that the average lifespan of a lion in the wild it 15-18 years doesn't factor into the equation.

 

[William67]

And, for your edification. Buy yourself a bundle of ten billion dollar notes.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/100-x-Zimba...-banknotes-full-currency-bundle-/171734976595

 

[Gnarwhal]

Show your work. Do you have statistics?

Because these numbers show that UK and European based big game hunters are responsible for thousands of deaths of animals that are endangered or vulnerable. http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/30/cecil-the-lion-death-puts-game-hunting-in-focus.html

People are giving a rip about this dentist because he got caught. We want all poachers to be brought to justice, we want big game hunters to realize how they're harming the ecosystem and stop hunting big game simple.

Is it an attack on a way of life? No. Hunt all the deer, duck, pheasant, elk, or caribou you want. There's enough to go around and people are generally careful with how those populations are controlled. These other animals in Africa are at-risk, and we need to protect them however we can.