Do you think homosexuals go to Hell??
- Thread starter puppii
- Start date
- Status
LionL
Believer in God, doubter of religion
- Jan 23, 2015
- 914
- 645
- 52
- Faith
- Christian
- Marital Status
- In Relationship
- Politics
- UK-Liberal-Democrats
No.
Is it a sin to practise homosexual relations? Many homosexuals do not act out their desires, though as long as both parties consent I don't see why.
Is it a sin to be attracted to people of your own sex? If it is then the one who created this desire is to blame (your creator) rather than you.
Personally I think that God cares not one hoot about this subject. Homophobia is a man made prejudice.
Is it a sin to practise homosexual relations? Many homosexuals do not act out their desires, though as long as both parties consent I don't see why.
Is it a sin to be attracted to people of your own sex? If it is then the one who created this desire is to blame (your creator) rather than you.
Personally I think that God cares not one hoot about this subject. Homophobia is a man made prejudice.
Last edited:
Upvote
0
No, I don't think so.
Frankly, I have my doubts about whether anyone goes to Hell, but there's nothing wrong with merely being a homosexual, even if people do go to Hell.
Frankly, I have my doubts about whether anyone goes to Hell, but there's nothing wrong with merely being a homosexual, even if people do go to Hell.
Upvote
0
I'll try to avoid judging anyone concerning heaven or hell. Only Christ is in a position to do so, for it's by him we enter the kingdom of heaven.
That should answer the question - only the saints inherit the kingdom.
I'm not gonna condemn any sinner, homosexuals included. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.
That should answer the question - only the saints inherit the kingdom.
I'm not gonna condemn any sinner, homosexuals included. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Upvote
0
seekingsolace
Bah
No I do not think homosexuals go to hell. It's a shame these questions are even asked; shows how far away the world is from the true love of God.
Upvote
0
- Oct 4, 2010
- 13,243
- 6,313
- Country
- United States
- Faith
- Christian
- Marital Status
- Married
Hi pupii,
Only those whose names are not written in the Lamb's book of life will be cast out. To get one's name written in the Lamb's book of life, they need to be born again. To be born again means that one has accepted the Holy Spirit to guide their steps and to give them understanding of godly things. As the Scriptures declare, they have been born of the Spirit.
So, all of that represents the life of those who will be saved on the day of the Father's final judgment. If one is guided by the Holy Spirit, then participating in sin becomes more and more difficult as the Spirit begins to convict and encourage in righteousness. That is what Jesus told us was the job of the Holy Spirit.
I believe that the Scriptures are fairly clear that same sex relations and adulterous sexual relations are sinful practices of man before God. Therefore, I believe that if one is born again and practicing sin in their life, that they will be constantly dealing with the guilt of their sin until they either squelch the work of the Holy Spirit or change their life.
The question for each one that comes to ask such questions as this is: Has that person been born again?
I think that Jesus was quite clear, that on the day of his Father's judgment, there are going to be many who professed themselves to be christians upon the earth and even did mighty works in the name of Jesus, but who were not born again. That is, born of the same Spirit which Jesus has that makes them known to him. If one has been born again, then by definition, they have the Spirit of truth within them that convicts of both sin and righteousness.
God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
Only those whose names are not written in the Lamb's book of life will be cast out. To get one's name written in the Lamb's book of life, they need to be born again. To be born again means that one has accepted the Holy Spirit to guide their steps and to give them understanding of godly things. As the Scriptures declare, they have been born of the Spirit.
So, all of that represents the life of those who will be saved on the day of the Father's final judgment. If one is guided by the Holy Spirit, then participating in sin becomes more and more difficult as the Spirit begins to convict and encourage in righteousness. That is what Jesus told us was the job of the Holy Spirit.
I believe that the Scriptures are fairly clear that same sex relations and adulterous sexual relations are sinful practices of man before God. Therefore, I believe that if one is born again and practicing sin in their life, that they will be constantly dealing with the guilt of their sin until they either squelch the work of the Holy Spirit or change their life.
The question for each one that comes to ask such questions as this is: Has that person been born again?
I think that Jesus was quite clear, that on the day of his Father's judgment, there are going to be many who professed themselves to be christians upon the earth and even did mighty works in the name of Jesus, but who were not born again. That is, born of the same Spirit which Jesus has that makes them known to him. If one has been born again, then by definition, they have the Spirit of truth within them that convicts of both sin and righteousness.
God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
Upvote
0
Farm Truck
Custom Title:
The New Testament clearly teaches that there will be no gays peoples in Heaven, so yes they will burn along with those that practice other works of the flesh.
You should study all the scriptures about the works of the flesh and what happens to those that do not overcome them after Jesus provided a way to live victoriously thru the power of the Holy Ghost!
Ain't gonna be nuthin nice down there is hell.
Upvote
0
Soyeong
Well-Known Member
- Mar 10, 2015
- 12,433
- 4,605
- Country
- United States
- Faith
- Messianic
- Marital Status
- Single
Sin is always an action, not an orientation. Being a homosexual explains the tendency for someone to sin by having homosexual sex, but it does not excuse it in the same way the alcoholism explains the tendency for someone to get drunk, but does not excuse it. I don't struggle with the temptation to sin in those areas, but I have plenty of other areas where I do struggle with that temptation. Each person has their own areas that they struggle with, so the sin is not in having the temptation, but in giving in to it.
Upvote
0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums
LionL
Believer in God, doubter of religion
- Jan 23, 2015
- 914
- 645
- 52
- Faith
- Christian
- Marital Status
- In Relationship
- Politics
- UK-Liberal-Democrats
That's one of the reasons why I don't believe what the Bible says - too much hatred going on. God is not as petty as some of His followers would have us believe.The New Testament clearly teaches that there will be no gays peoples in Heaven, so yes they will burn along with those that practice other works of the flesh.
You should study all the scriptures about the works of the flesh and what happens to those that do not overcome them after Jesus provided a way to live victoriously thru the power of the Holy Ghost!
Ain't gonna be nuthin nice down there is hell.
Edit: Sorry - it seems that I'm not allowed to post in this thread. My apologies.
Upvote
0
Depends.
Is the homosexual "ok" with their life of sin, and they have no intentions whatsoever of overcoming it?
Then yes, they are probably going down there, because of Matthew 7:22-23 where not everybody who claims to know Christ will enter Heaven.
However... if they were formerly homosexual and they repent of their sin and truly try to overcome it, or at least make an effort to, then I believe that Christ will do the rest.
But one has to 1). Acknowledge it is a sin, 2). Repent for doing it, 3). Try to stop doing it or make some effort into trying to stop.
Otherwise, I believe they are classified as a "worker of iniquity" and will be told to 'Depart from Me' on that day.
You can't serve God and the World at the same time. If you serve God, then you have the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit will guide you, correct you, and make you more like Christ with each passing day.
Proverbs 13:24 says that He who spares the rod hates his son. Since God (and Jesus) loves us, they will chastise us for doing evil. If someone is living an unrepentant life of sin of any kind of sin (including homosexuality) and are not being chastised, then that means they aren't one of God's children, at least not yet.
They need to take a serious look at their life, repent, and turn away from their sin.
Note, "turning away" doesn't mean "100% conquer all sin in a day". It doesn't work that way. However, there needs to be an effort to remove sin from your life, bit by bit, and you have to hate all of your sin.
Is the homosexual "ok" with their life of sin, and they have no intentions whatsoever of overcoming it?
Then yes, they are probably going down there, because of Matthew 7:22-23 where not everybody who claims to know Christ will enter Heaven.
However... if they were formerly homosexual and they repent of their sin and truly try to overcome it, or at least make an effort to, then I believe that Christ will do the rest.
But one has to 1). Acknowledge it is a sin, 2). Repent for doing it, 3). Try to stop doing it or make some effort into trying to stop.
Otherwise, I believe they are classified as a "worker of iniquity" and will be told to 'Depart from Me' on that day.
You can't serve God and the World at the same time. If you serve God, then you have the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit will guide you, correct you, and make you more like Christ with each passing day.
Proverbs 13:24 says that He who spares the rod hates his son. Since God (and Jesus) loves us, they will chastise us for doing evil. If someone is living an unrepentant life of sin of any kind of sin (including homosexuality) and are not being chastised, then that means they aren't one of God's children, at least not yet.
They need to take a serious look at their life, repent, and turn away from their sin.
Note, "turning away" doesn't mean "100% conquer all sin in a day". It doesn't work that way. However, there needs to be an effort to remove sin from your life, bit by bit, and you have to hate all of your sin.
Upvote
0
Not all christians despise homosexuals, hate them, want their activities banned, call them abominations, rail against them as sinners, etc. etc. Many of those who do have no peace with their own sins and are projecting it unto you.
Most people tend to focus on those who hate them rather than love them, so I understand your feelings, particularly since hate is the majority.
All I want you to know is God does not hate you if you're gay. He's got an open door to gays through Jesus Christ, if you ever need him.
As for heaven or hell, this thread is an invitation to flame, and to judge. I'd suggest you let them be, because you won't change these attitudes.
I'm sorry your entire community has been targeted by so-called christians. Just live your life, as true to yourself as you know how. And may you someday come to know God up close and personal.
(a friend)
Upvote
0
com7fy8
Well-Known Member
- May 22, 2013
- 13,723
- 6,139
- Country
- United States
- Faith
- Christian
- Marital Status
- Single
Yes, instead of homosexuals being so concerned about others hating them, they need to hate their own sin!
And sin includes what is wrong in our hearts. If in our hearts we have a wrong preference or a wrong desire, this is sin. Jesus said, about adultery, if a man looks the wrong way at a woman, he has already done adultery in his heart (Matthew 5:27-28). So, it is wrong to desire sexual sin, according to Jesus.
God is able to change our hearts so we are in His almighty love's power to protect us from wrong emotions and drives and feelings and tendencies. The peace of God is almighty to "guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." (please see Philippians 4:1-8)
So, it is not God our Heavenly Father who makes us so we have dominating drives for what is wrong.
But "the god of this world" (2 Corinthians 4:4) is Satan; and his evil spirit has emotions and drives witch work us to do what he wants. Our Apostle Paul says there is "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience" (in Ephesians 2:2), and this spirit of Satan "works" very hard to drive people to do what is wrong . . . wrong eating, wrong communication in the form of arguing, wrong sexual pleasure seeking, and other wrong things. His spirit is dominating and controlling and disruptive and dictatorial, and his wrong thinking and ideas and drives do not say "excuse me", but he "works" people by means of evil ideas and evil passions.
And I have noticed how people in their sinning can be trying to get a pleasure. They can be desperate to feel a pleasure, so they do not feel their deep-down misery and confusion of sin. They are often acting to try to feel relief from selfish anger and frustration and boredom and loneliness and hurts and bitterness and unforgiveness. Because God's love is not deeply satisfying them with "rest for your souls." (Matthew 11:29)
I have seen how enough is not enough, for addicts, alcoholics, arguers, smokers, and ones into wrong sexual stuff. Gays have hunted me down, right on busy city streets. If their stuff were truly satisfying them, I would think they would not be desperately hunting me down, then treating me like dirt when I am quiet and not interested and keep minding my own business. When you can't get what you want, your reaction can be proof of who is behind your interest.
Of course, not all gays are in street gangs and using their bikes to chase people, at sunrise . . . yes, in the morning, also > one group in a van stopped, on a Sunday morning, to ask me where they could find homosexuals > I said, "Wherever you go, there will be homosexuals."
But, like I say, not all gays do this stuff, to my knowledge. But it shows me how nothing such ones do can be enough. Only obeying God in His love can have us enjoying real love.
And each of us knows how we are reacting when we get no for an answer and things mess with what we want. And "God resists the proud" (in James 4:6, 1 Peter 5:5); so God Himself is resisting us so we fail to get what we selfishly want; and our reacting is proof of if we are sweetly and sensitively appreciating and enjoying Him most of all, and obeying Him in peace, or if we are in selfishly-reacting stuff of ego.
With God, we can stay unconditionally content, no matter what is taken from us or what is refused us. So, gays are not the only ones who need Jesus and how our Father corrects us > Hebrews 12:4-11. He does not just "chastise" us in order to get us to change our behavior, but He cures our nature so we are in His own almighty immunity against sin-sick feelings and stinking thinking and evil drives, so these awful and messing things can not get the better of us and control our attention.
Also, in the weakness of our pleasure seeking, we stay weak enough to also suffer pain and confusion and loneliness and other cruel things.
So, if a person is still in this mess of desperation for pleasure, the person is not with God in His love, at least not like we can be.
"Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world." (Hebrews 4:15)
So, our assurance for the "day of judgment" is how God perfects us in His love, in our character, not only in our acting!
So, yes God corrects us deeply so we do not keep on having wrong interests and wrong preferences; and He makes us strong so we do not keep on struggling (Ephesians 6:10), but are busy with enjoying Him and submitting to Him in His peace (Colossians 3:15), and loving one another and caring for any and all wrong people.
And in God's love all-loving, we have hope for any evil person, at all > love "hopes all things" (in 1 Corinthians 13:7) > Jesus so suffered and died on Calvary for any and all of us to receive forgiveness. So, it is very wrong to discriminate against gays, by telling them they don't need the forgiveness and correction which Jesus payed His own blood for them to have.
And sin includes what is wrong in our hearts. If in our hearts we have a wrong preference or a wrong desire, this is sin. Jesus said, about adultery, if a man looks the wrong way at a woman, he has already done adultery in his heart (Matthew 5:27-28). So, it is wrong to desire sexual sin, according to Jesus.
God is able to change our hearts so we are in His almighty love's power to protect us from wrong emotions and drives and feelings and tendencies. The peace of God is almighty to "guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." (please see Philippians 4:1-8)
So, it is not God our Heavenly Father who makes us so we have dominating drives for what is wrong.
But "the god of this world" (2 Corinthians 4:4) is Satan; and his evil spirit has emotions and drives witch work us to do what he wants. Our Apostle Paul says there is "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience" (in Ephesians 2:2), and this spirit of Satan "works" very hard to drive people to do what is wrong . . . wrong eating, wrong communication in the form of arguing, wrong sexual pleasure seeking, and other wrong things. His spirit is dominating and controlling and disruptive and dictatorial, and his wrong thinking and ideas and drives do not say "excuse me", but he "works" people by means of evil ideas and evil passions.
And I have noticed how people in their sinning can be trying to get a pleasure. They can be desperate to feel a pleasure, so they do not feel their deep-down misery and confusion of sin. They are often acting to try to feel relief from selfish anger and frustration and boredom and loneliness and hurts and bitterness and unforgiveness. Because God's love is not deeply satisfying them with "rest for your souls." (Matthew 11:29)
I have seen how enough is not enough, for addicts, alcoholics, arguers, smokers, and ones into wrong sexual stuff. Gays have hunted me down, right on busy city streets. If their stuff were truly satisfying them, I would think they would not be desperately hunting me down, then treating me like dirt when I am quiet and not interested and keep minding my own business. When you can't get what you want, your reaction can be proof of who is behind your interest.
Of course, not all gays are in street gangs and using their bikes to chase people, at sunrise . . . yes, in the morning, also > one group in a van stopped, on a Sunday morning, to ask me where they could find homosexuals > I said, "Wherever you go, there will be homosexuals."
But, like I say, not all gays do this stuff, to my knowledge. But it shows me how nothing such ones do can be enough. Only obeying God in His love can have us enjoying real love.
And each of us knows how we are reacting when we get no for an answer and things mess with what we want. And "God resists the proud" (in James 4:6, 1 Peter 5:5); so God Himself is resisting us so we fail to get what we selfishly want; and our reacting is proof of if we are sweetly and sensitively appreciating and enjoying Him most of all, and obeying Him in peace, or if we are in selfishly-reacting stuff of ego.
With God, we can stay unconditionally content, no matter what is taken from us or what is refused us. So, gays are not the only ones who need Jesus and how our Father corrects us > Hebrews 12:4-11. He does not just "chastise" us in order to get us to change our behavior, but He cures our nature so we are in His own almighty immunity against sin-sick feelings and stinking thinking and evil drives, so these awful and messing things can not get the better of us and control our attention.
Also, in the weakness of our pleasure seeking, we stay weak enough to also suffer pain and confusion and loneliness and other cruel things.
So, if a person is still in this mess of desperation for pleasure, the person is not with God in His love, at least not like we can be.
"Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world." (Hebrews 4:15)
So, our assurance for the "day of judgment" is how God perfects us in His love, in our character, not only in our acting!
So, yes God corrects us deeply so we do not keep on having wrong interests and wrong preferences; and He makes us strong so we do not keep on struggling (Ephesians 6:10), but are busy with enjoying Him and submitting to Him in His peace (Colossians 3:15), and loving one another and caring for any and all wrong people.
And in God's love all-loving, we have hope for any evil person, at all > love "hopes all things" (in 1 Corinthians 13:7) > Jesus so suffered and died on Calvary for any and all of us to receive forgiveness. So, it is very wrong to discriminate against gays, by telling them they don't need the forgiveness and correction which Jesus payed His own blood for them to have.
Last edited:
Upvote
0
abysmul
Board Game Hobbyist
- Jun 17, 2008
- 4,495
- 845
- Faith
- Non-Denom
- Marital Status
- Married
- Politics
- US-Others
Not exactly on topic, but I think far too many "Christians" are worried about making proclamations about the sin of others when perhaps they should be more concerned with their own sin (as we are all sinners).
Upvote
0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums
LovelyGiselle
Active Member
- Jul 19, 2015
- 157
- 116
- 29
- Faith
- Protestant
- Marital Status
- Single
- Politics
- US-Others
To put it simply:Those who accept Jesus Christ and learn to hate their sinful nature and obey the word of God do not. So homosexuals do not go to hell if they accept Christ and seek repentance for their sins if they committed homosexual sex.
This goes for anyone.
This goes for anyone.
Upvote
0
dragongunner
Newbie
1 Corinthians 6:9-11King James Version (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Upvote
0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums
dragongunner
Newbie
Really…..so if you believe and continue in sin your still saved…?…scriptures please. Cause you just let the Devil in…..
James 2:19
Viewing the King James Version. Click to switch to 1611 King James Version of James 2:19.
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Upvote
0
- Status
Similar threads
