When did evolution begin?

[Oncedeceived]

Look in a mirror.

The question we are trying to address is where the dividing line is between evolution and abiogenesis. All we are considering are the principles involved.

As for when evolution starts, it starts when you have imperfect replicators competing for limited resources. If those first imperfect replicators came about through supernatural magic, the principle still applies.

What evidence do you cite that there were imperfect replicators at all that could compete?

 

[Ben West]

I think maybe you are using a different meaning of the word 'contention' than I meant. I meant contention as a heated disagreement. What I am saying is that Christians get all up in arms over the mere word 'evolution' and its meaning. But the only part of evolution that is disagreeable as a believer in the One Almighty God is that man evolved from animals.

Are we in agreement?

But to address the rest of your quote, man was made last, on Day 6, not Day 3. Animals came before God's man, and the fossil record records this as well.

No, since you falsely believe that Humans evolved from the common ancestor of Apes and God tells us that is UnTrue. Adam was "formed" physically on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4-7 but was NOT "created" in God's Image or born again in Christ, until the present 6th Day. Gen 1:27 and Gen 5:1-2

Evolution believers disagree because they are "willingly ignorant" that Humans were NOT made on the present Earth and did NOT evolve from the common ancestor of Apes but the sons of God (prehistoric people) did, and scientists have falsely classified them as Humans (descendants of Adam). Adam was First made. Amen?

 

[Loudmouth]

What evidence do you cite that there were imperfect replicators at all that could compete?

Look in a mirror.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Evolution began when God created life.

The only contention a Christian or monotheist needs to have with evolution is that man evolved from animals. Animals evolve. Man evolves.

Easy peasy.

While I agree that evolution does not mean God didn't create, God claimed that life was created and kinds were before those created and after excluding mankind. God claims man was made in His image and there is no mention of anything of the same kind prior to Him. I believe this is the spiritual man or modern man of today.

 

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

No, since you falsely believe that Humans evolved from the common ancestor of Apes and God tells us that is UnTrue. Adam was "formed" physically on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4-7 but was NOT "created" in God's Image or born again in Christ, until the present 6th Day. Gen 1:27 and Gen 5:1-2

Evolution believers disagree because they are "willingly ignorant" that Humans were NOT made on the present Earth and did NOT evolve from the common ancestor of Apes but the sons of God (prehistoric people) did, and scientists have falsely classified them as Humans (descendants of Adam). Adam was First made. Amen?

dude. yo.

I believe nothing of the sort.

Sort thyself out before engaging others, please.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

From skimming and word searching, I can't find anything close to what you claim Nye said.

"You find down low what you might consider as rudimentary sea animals. Up above, you’ll find the famous trilobites; above that you might find some clams or oysters, and above that you'll find some mammals. You never, ever find a higher animal mixed in with the lower one. You never find a lower one trying to swim its way to a higher one."(QUOTE]


This is what I was referring to. It seems that the end of a certain geological period meant the end of all the species found in those sediments. How and when then did evolution occur? If all the 'lower' creatures died and were entombed in the sediment where is the connection to the 'higher' creatures found in the successive sediments? Recall that Nye said 'higher' and 'lower' creatures are "never, ever" found together in the same sediments.[/QUOTE]

 

[Loudmouth]

While I agree that evolution does not mean God didn't create, God claimed that life was created and kinds were before those created and after excluding mankind.

Actually, the Bible claimed that, and men wrote the Bible. Also, Aesop wrote stories about animals talking. If the only thing you took away from those Fables is that animals used to be a lot smarter, then you missed the entire purpose of those Fables.

 

[Loudmouth]

This is what I was referring to. It seems that the end of a certain geological period meant the end of all the species found in those sediments.

That isn't what he said. He said that they were more rudimentary in the lower levels.

If all the 'lower' creatures died and were entombed in the sediment where is the connection to the 'higher' creatures found in the successive sediments?

The connection is the offspring the creatures had before they died.

Recall that Nye said 'higher' and 'lower' creatures are "never, ever" found together in the same sediments.

He also said that there is a succession of creatures that ties the lower creatures with the higher creatures. Did you miss that part?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

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[Ben West]

dude. yo.

I believe nothing of the sort.

Sort thyself out before engaging others, please.

Did you notice the boldness of the Scriptural references I gave? Would you like me to show you this Scripturally with the verses I posted? Notice that Adam was "formed" by the LORD God (YHWH/Jesus) on the 3rd Day and "created" by the AGREEMENT of God (the Trinity) on the 6th Day. Do you know the difference between Jesus and God?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

He also said that there is a succession of creatures that ties the lower creatures with the higher creatures. Did you miss that part?

The geologic column shows abrupt, not gradual, change. How did the offspring survive through this change?

 

[Loudmouth]

The geologic column shows abrupt, not gradual, change.

That's because the geologic record itself abruptly stops and has large gaps. Deposition of sediments is not constant or continuous, so why would the fossil record be constant and continuous?

How did the offspring survive through this change?

The same way all creatures survive.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Look in a mirror.

Look in the mirror tells me nothing. Either support your claims or don't make them.

 

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

Hmm... Interesting point. A lovely way to explain that little 'discrepancy' in the Bible which scholars say is due to different authors.

I have long understood that neanderthal man (or dust-man as you describe) is not God's chosen man, but that later man is the one with the mark of God and line of Shem.

Either way, man was not evolved from animals.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Actually, the Bible claimed that, and men wrote the Bible. Also, Aesop wrote stories about animals talking. If the only thing you took away from those Fables is that animals used to be a lot smarter, then you missed the entire purpose of those Fables.

Your assessment of the Bible doesn't change what it says.

 

[Loudmouth]

Your assessment of the Bible doesn't change what it says.

Your empty assertions doesn't change who wrote it. If you want to make a book into your god, then go for it.

 

[Loudmouth]

Look in the mirror tells me nothing.

When you look in a mirror, you are looking at an imperfect replicator that competes for limited resources. That's the evidence.

 

[Loudmouth]

Either way, man was not evolved from animals.

Is there any potential fossil or genetic evidence that would change your mind?

 

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

^There has been none discovered to date to prove that man has evolved from animals.

It is called 'the missing link' I believe.

 

[Loudmouth]

^There has been none discovered to date to prove that man has evolved from animals.

What features would a fossil need in order to prove it?

What shared genetic markers, if found, would prove it?

It is called 'the missing link' I believe.

What features would a fossil need in order to be that link?