Once Saved Always Saved: Fact or Fiction?

[FreeGrace2]

Greetings in Jesus name. I've read the comments... Wow some of the people who have commented really do need to pray and ask God for wisdom in understanding his word. Do you believe that once you are saved you are always saved? So basically you can sin everyday and still expect to have your place kept in heaven?

I'd start praying for wisdom if this were my view. How many sins did Jesus Christ die for on the cross? Some? A few? Only those committed before one believes in Him? So we have to work to keep our salvation? What in the world!

I'm a 24 year old believer in Jesus and as young as I am I can understand what God expects from me.

Well, I have no idea what is being understood from your post, but God expects that ALL of His children (those He has saved because they have believed in His Son (1 Cor 1:21) to act like they are His children. Being Christ-like. And there are warnings for those who don't: discipline in time (can be extremely painful - 1 Cor 11:30) and loss of reward in eternity.

I follow his commandments and stay away from sin. Read the word and understand what God wants from us. How can we save this world for Jesus if believers do not understand the word of God? Come on fellow brothers and sisters in the Lord.. We need wisdom to get more people to heaven. God bless

No one can "stay away from sin". 1 Jn 1:8 - If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.

The solution to sin after we have believed in Jesus Christ and have received eternal life is to confess our sins for forgiveness and cleansing (1 Jn 1:9). This is just as much grace as our initial salvation by believing in Christ.

 

[JLB777]

What does it mean to be "welcomed into the kingdom of God"?

To be welcome into God's Kingdom on the Day of Judgement, is to be granted access.

When a person hears these words spoken to them by Jesus, on that Day - 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Matthew 25:31


When a person is not welcome into God's Kingdom, on the Day of judgement, the will hear these words -

Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: Matthew 25:41

And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." Matthew 25:46


Saved = with Jesus

Not Saved = into the everlasting fires of hell.


JLB

 

[FreeGrace2]

OSAS is biblical. Read John 3:16
16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His [a]only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Whoever believes/trusts Christ, has eternal life. If we can lose eternal life, it was never eternal to begin with.

This just may be way too obvious and clear for some to grasp.

 

[JLB777]

And how do you know that 'Inherit the Kingdom of God' means the same thing as 'Salvation'? You are crossing over your terminology!

Because I read what Jesus said.

Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Matthew 25:31

Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: Matthew 25:41


JLB

 

[FreeGrace2]

It is Fact, because if you would turn away from God and reject him, You never knew him. the Bible is not saying you can lose your salvation, because if you abandoned God, you were never saved to begin with.

In order to "abandon God", one must first have believed in His Son. So your view ultimately is that one can lose their salvation.

And Jesus told us that some "believe for a while", and "in time of temptation fall away". Luke 8:13

And Paul said basically the same thing in 1 Tim 4:1 about in latter times, some will abandon the faith. It means to apostatize.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Anytime anyone asks this question or says that you can lose your salvation, I ask them what did you do to earn your salvation? Of coarse any true Christian will say they did nothing to earn it. So, I ask, "Then how can you do anything to lose it?"

If we could lose our salvation, we would all go to hell since we sin almost every moment of every day. And that's assuming that you believe that all sins are the same, which I believe they are.

Great point! The grace that we are saved by is the same grace that keeps us!

 

[gigman7]

Romans 3:27
27 Then what can we boast about doing to earn our salvation? Nothing at all. Why? Because our acquittal is not based on our good deeds; it is based on what Christ has done and our faith in him.

Romans 8:38-39
38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come,
39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Once we are saved, Jesus is with us always. Nothing will separate us from Him.
Start reading from verse 33

Lamentations 3:22
22 his compassion never ends. It is only the Lord’s mercies that have kept us from complete destruction.

Matthew 7:21
21 Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of heaven . . .
It takes more than just believing in Him.

If your only "salvation" is by a belief, then you haven't truly been saved, so, yes, you can lose that belief. If you have been truly saved, you have been saved from the time you get saved to the time you die, at which point you will be with Christ in Heaven.

 

[JLB777]

This just may be way too obvious and clear for some to grasp.

OSAS is biblical. Read John 3:16
16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His [a]only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Whoever believes/trusts Christ, has eternal life. If we can lose eternal life, it was never eternal to begin with.

How about those who stop believing?

You got a scripture for the ones who stop believing?

Read Luke 8:12-13


20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.
21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 2 Peter 2:20-21


JLB

 

[FreeGrace2]

The once saved always saved doctrine is a false doctrine that is not biblically sound

Looking for any verse that backs up your statement. Won't hold my breath in the meantime.

Now to clarify my statement I believe that you can be saved and stay saved but it's by your choice God WILL NOT make anyone go to heaven he is a perfect gentleman and will not force his will upon anyone

OK, what verse supports this opinion?

 

[JLB777]

38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come,
39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Amen! Good scripture.

Not even going to hell can separate us from the love of God.

He will love those even in hell.


JLB

 

[Admiral_Kang]

Because I read what Jesus said.

Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Matthew 25:31

Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: Matthew 25:41


JLB

Nope. Non-sequitur detector going ape.

 

[JLB777]

Looking for any verse that backs up your statement. Won't hold my breath in the meantime.

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21


JLB

 

[FreeGrace2]

If you decide you "do not want to go to heaven" then you were not saved to begin with.

Or much more likely, was just an idiot. A child of God who was "devoured" by the devil, per 1 Pet 5:8.

 

[outsidethecamp]

I don't believe in the Security of the Unbeliever, so how do you define "saved"?

 

[JLB777]

Nope. Non-sequitur detector going ape.

That must be a great scriptural response in "your" bible study group.

 

[Winken]

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[FreeGrace2]

Stop believing is how to lose your salvation.

Please provide any verse that says that.

Jesus taught us the truth -

12 Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
13 But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away.


...believe and be saved.

Believe = Saved

...believe for a while

Believe for a while = saved for awhile.

JLB

Jesus taught that a believer can quit believing. But your math is quite in error, for there is no verse that says what is being claimed.

Such a view insinuates that we are kept by our own action of believing, which is NOT taught in Scripture.

The same grace that saves us keeps us.

No one earns salvation. It is by grace. As well, no one earns loss of salvation. It is also by grace.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I never said that I disagree with Jesus.

One doesn't have to say it to do it. Jesus tells us that we (those who have believed) are held by His Father and no one (meaning no person, including yourself) can snatch them out of His hand. That's security.

Yes, he said believe AND be saved. We do not get saved the moment we start to believe.

More disagreement with Jesus. John 5:24 - “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, HAS eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

Please note the enlarged word "has". It means WHEN one believes; not at some point future to one's belief.

For many of us, we have believed all of our lives, but got saved after we became accountable.

And what verse actually says anything close to this?

 

[HatGuy]

To be welcome into God's Kingdom on the Day of Judgement, is to be granted access.

When a person hears these words spoken to them by Jesus, on that Day - 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Matthew 25:31


When a person is not welcome into God's Kingdom, on the Day of judgement, the will hear these words -

Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: Matthew 25:41

And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." Matthew 25:46


Saved = with Jesus

Not Saved = into the everlasting fires of hell.


JLB

Do you think the "goats" were previously "sheep"?

 

[FreeGrace2]

Saved = welcomed into the kingdom of God

Not saved = condemned to the everlasting fires of hell

Here is the Biblical equation:
saved = has believed in Jesus Christ as Savior
not saved = has never believed in Jesus Christ as Savior