Atheistic Darwinist Creationism and It's Just a Sack of Chemicals

[bhsmte]

I've never seen any reason for religious people to debate their faith in the first place. I think if someone was so sure that a God gave them a duty to uphold then they would not have to justify that duty with any man. I think they should explain themselves but the idea of debating the existence of someone that you are convinced without a shadow of a doubt does exist would be like arguing color with a blind man. Faith is feeling and the triumph of hope over logic. That's what it comes down to and the two are totally incomparable. Believe what you want to believe, but do it completely or not at all.

IMO, many debate their faith to secure and protect their belief to themselves and it has nothing to do with trying to convince someone who is a non believer they are wrong.

 

[bhsmte]

Science can explain what we, today have instruments to detect. What we can't detect we can theorize on by the reactions of that which we can detect. Faith is defined not by what one can see, but how what can be seen relates to you. It is there for a reason and that reason resides with he who put it there. It's not a thing of logic. It is a thing of understanding and trust.

Which is why man has manufactured Gods for as long as man could come up with the idea, because we have evolved to derive some psychological benefit from thinking we have a higher understanding of things.

Now, as time has gone on, these Gods have come and go and one other interesting thing has happened; as we discover more about the universe and are able to grasp this understanding, it appears to correlate with fewer people believing in Gods and or relying on religion. Strong correlation between; higher education level attained and less belief in Gods and or religion.

With this said, it doesn't mean certain faith beliefs can not be beneficial to some, because they can be. It just so happens, depending on one's individual psychological makeup, not everyone requires one to be able to live a good life.

 

[JasonClark]

How do you describe the feeling you had when you met the person you knew was all so right for you mist all those who you've searched through before you met that person?

Who met a person? we are talking about an imaginary being, what has meeting someone got to do with having a feeling about something that is not there?

 

[Willtor]

The Darwinist view of evolution is based on guesses and suppositions, not the scientific method.

Darwin had his own views on how the physical stuff was created and arranged.

Since you seem to be dodging the question, let's pop the stack...

Where is the contradiction between being an evolved sack of chemicals and being made in the image of God are not contradictory statements.

 

[AV1611VET]

So it appears, the story may have been added for marketing purposes.

If it was added at all, it was added back in.

 

[AV1611VET]

No it was added to the bible 1000 years after Jesus is supposed to have died, about 150 years before the cathedral in my city was built.

Who took it out?

And speaking of adding in: if the Bible, God's preserved Word, is supposedly nothing more than an open-source tome, then why aren't theistic evolutionists adding the Big Bang model to Genesis 1?

 

[bhsmte]

If it was added at all, it was added back in.

You would then have to show it was there in first place. Scholars haven't been able to do so, which is why most agree it was a very late addition.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Which is why man has manufactured Gods for as long as man could come up with the idea, because we have evolved to derive some psychological benefit from thinking we have a higher understanding of things.

Now, as time has gone on, these Gods have come and go and one other interesting thing has happened; as we discover more about the universe and are able to grasp this understanding, it appears to correlate with fewer people believing in Gods and or relying on religion. Strong correlation between; higher education level attained and less belief in Gods and or religion.

With this said, it doesn't mean certain faith beliefs can not be beneficial to some, because they can be. It just so happens, depending on one's individual psychological makeup, not everyone requires one to be able to live a good life.

That's certainly a possibility. Some of my Atheist friends have brought up the same idea of a manufactured God, but most go with the "I'm afraid of the dark and the unknown" angle. I personal have gone with the idea that Faith is a key to a lock called "WHY?" It answers a myriad of questions for those who have already made up their mind. Faith in god or Science, Philosophy, mankind. It makes no difference where the answers come from as long as you believe in the institution. God is simply a relative label like science is. It's a means to an end of continued questioning.
As I've said before. believe what you want but believe it fully or not at all.

As far as masses go. I don't really put much stock in the wisdom of the masses since I saw how many people fell in love with a rock that somebody glued felt onto and called it a pet.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Who met a person? we are talking about an imaginary being, what has meeting someone got to do with having a feeling about something that is not there?

Were we not talking about how you would know, by feeling that you were in the midst of God. Or did I read that wrong?

 

[AV1611VET]

You would then have to show it was there in first place. Scholars haven't been able to do so, which is why most agree it was a very late addition.

Ya ... that's why "Lucifer" [allegedly] isn't in any of God's dictations either, isn't it?

 

[Alithis]

Laws are made by society, for society and our society has been and still is saturated by Christianity.

your kidding right ? Christianity changed laws to allow unwed folks to co-abide in fornication (sex outside of marriage ) ..? nope! same sex marriage ? nope! .. abortion ..? nope !,these law changes have not come from Christian influence but from the view of those who hold the premise that there is not God .. ie- evolutionist and atheists .and history displays every time that world view become predominant - death and suffering follow on mass scale

 

[Alithis]

The Good news in the midst of all this is that we are more then a sack of chemicals .for in us was breathed the breath of life .

the lord Jesus said .. "this is eternal life .. that they may know you the one true living God"

the good news is .. God has Made a way for us to be reconciled unto himself that we might once more "know him" on a personal level .for from the abundance of his heart he spoke to save us and his word became flesh and his name is JESUS and who ever believes on him will not perish but have everlasting life .

 

[bhsmte]

The Good news in the midst of all this is that we are more then a sack of chemicals .for in us was breathed the breath of life .

the lord Jesus said .. "this is eternal life .. that they may know you the one true living God"

the good news is .. God has Made a way for us to be reconciled unto himself that we might once more "know him" on a personal level .for from the abundance of his heart he spoke to save us and his word became flesh and his name is JESUS and who ever believes on him will not perish but have everlasting life .

The good news is; you are free to live your life as you choose, even if other people don't agree with you.

 

[Alithis]

The good news is; you are free to live your life as you choose, even if other people don't agree with you.

no you are not ... if that were true .. go and try it .you will find you are not free to do so at all.. you are a prisoner of sin .

 

[bhsmte]

no you are not ... if that were true .. go and try it .you will find you are not free to do so at all.. you are a prisoner of sin .

Really?

You are not free to worship the God of your choosing? You are not free to attend the church of your choosing? You are not free to socialize with whoever you choose in your private life? You are not free to teach your children at home and in church the religion of your choosing?

You are not free to disagree with others and still make your own choices in life?

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

your kidding right ? Christianity changed laws to allow unwed folks to co-abide in fornication (sex outside of marriage ) ..? nope! same sex marriage ? nope! .. abortion ..? nope !,these law changes have not come from Christian influence but from the view of those who hold the premise that there is not God .. ie- evolutionist and atheists .and history displays every time that world view become predominant - death and suffering follow on mass scale

If you hadn't noticed those were fairly resent rulings. You seem to have a narrow view of reality, quoting it only when your side doesn't win an issue.

 

[TheBarrd]

Sadly there is no evidence with or without science you just keep telling yourself that there is because you were told that there is.
When you read or was told that story about the kings new clothes that were invisible I bet you did not side with the boy that thought the king was naked, or did you?

I am one of the few atheists [most American atheists have because they were raised as were Muslims in a country dominated by their religion] who have never read the bible.

I see...so you have never read the Bible and you have absolutely no idea what might be in that book, or any notion of what Christians believe...heck most American atheists are a bit confused on that score...
And yet you want to come here and engage an American Christian in debate?
Why?

 

[TheBarrd]

Just my luck to be brought up in the thing hum. Can't win for loosing. Heck, I lost my mom.

There are other options in Christianity.

 

[TheBarrd]

But somehow you knew what a god was when you came across the god, that's amazing, no one could explain it to you but you knew what it was as soon as you felt it.
Do you think Muslims have the same feeling when they are in the same situation? is their god real for them just as it was real for you?

What makes an atheists sceptical is this, how did you know it was a god making you feel the way you did? did it happen in a church where you were expecting it to happen or did it happen somewhere when you weren't expecting it to happen? what I'm asking is, could you have been talked into feeling it was the holy spirit that made you feel that way or were you not even thinking about god when it happened?

You know that people were alive a thousand years ago and they believed in lots of gods who are not worshiped anymore don't you? where are those gods now?
or do you think those gods were all made up gods?

What I believe is, that from the time there have been men advanced enough to worship, they have reached out for the God they instinctively knew was there.
(instinct-built in?)
God had revealed Himself "from the beginning"...but as time passed and people spread out, what was once known as a universal truth faded into ancient myths...
But, as I said, there is an instinct...a longing for God. People reached out for Him, reinventing Him over and over again...
Eventually, God made His voice heard again. He called a man named Abraham, and promised him that through his son, all the families would be blessed.
And that is what the Bible is all about.

Now, while I know there are many, many, many "look-alike" gods, there really is only One Jesus Christ.
In Him, and in Him alone, do I see God reaching down to mankind. He taught us love, and peace, and charity...love your neighbor as yourself; love your enemies; give to those who ask you, good measure, pressed down and shaken together; and my favorite verse in the entire Bible, which, since you haven't read it, I will post here for you:

Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Joh 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

 

[TheBarrd]

I wasn't talking about credibility in the Christian community. Those already within the community and those who are familiar with it know the deal. Those who are not only see hypocrisy and the media will point out the hypocrites far quicker than those who faithfully serve. The goal in spreading religion is not to sustain numbers but to grow them and you can't grow those numbers if those whose voices ring hollow are not pointed out by the rank and file and expunged

To me the Bible is a blueprint for a life style, which wen lived continuously reveals itself to be less dramatic and less caustic. It provide an example that is supposed to draw those with more chaotic lives to you, so you can explain to them how you come by it. It's not because of you but your beliefs and your adherence to those beliefs in your actions that is the key to conversion to your faith. It is the nectar to the bee.

You are very wize...bzzz...bzzzzzzz