Atheistic Darwinist Creationism and It's Just a Sack of Chemicals

[AV1611VET]

As a Jehovah's witness I was told not to eat blood and there is a passage in the Bible that states that we should not associate with those who had known Christ and rejected him. I think that's in one of the letters, but I am not certain.

It doesn't really matter since I left that faith and was disfellowshiped from them for the last 30 some odd years. I still can't eat in the same room at the same time as my mom and can not be spoken to by any JW, to this day. I don't regret running away from home and leaving that religion behind and never will!

Then why did you say this:

I was born and raised a Jehovah's Witness and knew about God before I knew about me. That is where I learned to eccept all of Gods creations, no matter what their color or abilities were. I learned respct and to act in a dignified manner, because I was supposed to represent Christ in everything I did and everything I said.

 

[Astrophile]

Having heard this argument and considered all of the different opinions...
I think abortion is wrong. What a pregnant woman is carrying is a human baby, no matter how people try to tapdance around that fact, and killing him or her is murder, pure and simple.

Just out of interest, do you think that a woman convicted of adultery ought to be killed, and would it make a difference if she was pregnant? I have often wondered whether the woman of John 8 turned up at the crucifixion to show Jesus her baby (silly, I know, but nobody else seems to have thought of this possibility).

 

[quatona]

Something I've always been curious about...
Why would an atheist, supposedly content with his/her atheism, spend useless hours hanging out on Christian web sites?

These forums are a place for everyone to discuss philosophy, e&m etc. Who runs this place is irrelevant, in my opinion.

 

[Willtor]

Yes, that counts and the Darwinist evolved part only presents a series of guesses and suppositions of how that happened which drives a worldview that we're nothing special, just a bag of randomly evolved chemicals.

Let us suppose you were right that evolution was just a series of guesses and suppositions. That context still makes your statement wrong.

Darwin opposed the view that 'us' are more than random physical creations, but were created by random, mindless, meaningless, purposeless and goalless naturalistic mechanisms acting on an alleged single life form of long long ago.

Christians, on the other hand, do not believe that 'us' are creation by random, mindless, meaningless, purposeless and goalless naturalistic mechanisms acting on an alleged single life form of long long ago but rather created by God in His image.

Two very different resultant worldviews.

We should finish the first topic before we move onto all of this other stuff. What is the physical stuff that Darwin opposed?

 

[AV1611VET]

Just out of interest, do you think that a woman convicted of adultery ought to be killed, and would it make a difference if she was pregnant? I have often wondered whether the woman of John 8 turned up at the crucifixion to show Jesus her baby (silly, I know, but nobody else seems to have thought of this possibility).

I wasn't aware she was with child.

 

[The Cadet]

Something I've always been curious about...
Why would an atheist, supposedly content with his/her atheism, spend useless hours hanging out on Christian web sites?

Because:
A) It offers insight into how christians (who form a substantial majority in the west and a politically powerful group in the USA particularly) think and what they believe
B) I find it important to expose myself to ideas such as Christianity, in case there actually is anything to them
C) It makes my ego inflate much in the same way that playing a minor leagues game and scoring a home run each at-bat might inflate Big Papi's.

Science cannot find God, for the very same reason that science cannot explain what a mind is or how it works. Oh, science can tell us all about the physical aspects of our brains...but things get a bit vague when it comes to explaining intelligence, or why one person can paint beautiful landscapes, while another can't draw a straight line, for instance.

Neuroscience is still a relatively new field, and it's trying to piece together how one of the most complex systems in nature works. That said, it's well-established that artistic ability is something that can be trained, and while there are differences in talent, almost all of art is hard work. Nobody is born capable of painting a landscape, they have to study and practice. And yeah, the answers are still fairly vague. It's a really hard problem. However, thus far, we have not found any part of a person's "self", of their personality, of who they are, that doesn't come down to brain chemistry. How is the mind not confined to the brain when we can fundamentally change who you are by changing parts of the brain?

Psychiatry admits that it is "not an exact science"...nor can it be.

Psychiatry is not the study of the brain. It's a very different field; you're looking for Neuroscience.

Science cannot delve into the human mind, because it has no way to deal with what is not physical...

Demonstrate that there is a non-physical element to the human mind.

Also, bear in mind, a few hundred years ago, someone may very well have been saying "Science cannot delve into human health, because it has no way to deal with the non-physical demons and curses that make up so much of it". (Or, to put it bluntly, that assertions of non-physical entities have consistently and constantly been supplanted by functional, physical models of reality.)

God is a spirit. Science has no way to deal with that.

...So then how did you detect God?

 

[AV1611VET]

...So then how did you detect God?

Via an awakening of a sixth sense.[VERSE=Psalms 34:8,KJV]O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.[/VERSE][VERSE=Ephesians 2:1,KJV]And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;[/VERSE]

 

[JasonClark]

Something I've always been curious about...
Why would an atheist, supposedly content with his/her atheism, spend useless hours hanging out on Christian web sites?
Science cannot find God, for the very same reason that science cannot explain what a mind is or how it works. Oh, science can tell us all about the physical aspects of our brains...but things get a bit vague when it comes to explaining intelligence, or why one person can paint beautiful landscapes, while another can't draw a straight line, for instance. Psychiatry admits that it is "not an exact science"...nor can it be.
Science cannot delve into the human mind, because it has no way to deal with what is not physical...
God is a spirit. Science has no way to deal with that.

The why I'm here has been more than adequately explained above.

For you science is all wrong because it can not explain everything but religion is somehow right because it doesn't explain anything.
No matter how hard I try I can not see the logic in that, could you please explain how you do it?

 

[JasonClark]

Just out of interest, do you think that a woman convicted of adultery ought to be killed, and would it make a difference if she was pregnant? I have often wondered whether the woman of John 8 turned up at the crucifixion to show Jesus her baby (silly, I know, but nobody else seems to have thought of this possibility).

As a matter of interest the story that says 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone' was not added to the bible until about 1000 BCE.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Then why did you say this:

Is there some discrepancy that you see that I don't?

 

[AV1611VET]

Is there some discrepancy that you see that I don't?

Unless I read your post wrong, you started off talking about how you learned about the love of Jesus Christ within the Jehovahs Witness faith.

Then, all of a sudden, you left it for some reason and now post as a humanist.

I thought further investigation was warranted.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

I am saddened. You have had a terrible experience.
I'm sure you've heard the Christian arguments against Jehovah's Witnesses. Here at CF they are not considered to be Christians and may not post in Christians only areas.
I say that to show you that there are other ways of seeing God...

People who thrust will never be satiated by salt.

I know of no arguments against the JW outside of my own and hold only a few demands upon religion and those are it must be primal and it must be pure. Nothing stylish because if it is the word of God, then it stands the test of time and can be incorporated in one's life from the dawn of time to today and into the future. It has to be so because if it was from God and that God is powerful than he foresaw all that is to pass and has taken steps to deal with them all.

I do not bring any of the tenets of JW to anywhere other than to honor that which is honorable and to those who are honorable. I don't condemn by virtue of what I've been taught because I don't know enough about anything to condemn anyone other than myself for being stupid.

 

[Willtor]

As a matter of interest the story that says 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone' was not added to the bible until about 1000 BCE.

That would be like finding a precambrian rabbit. Do you mean 1000 A.D./C.E.? It's certainly earlier than that because we have sources that are older than that with the passage in it.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Unless I read your post wrong, you started off talking about how you learned about the love of Jesus Christ within the Jehovahs Witness faith.

Then, all of a sudden, you left it for some reason and now post as a humanist.

I thought further investigation was warranted.

You mean you wanted to see if I was full of crap or not. lol

I don't think I said anything about learning to Love Jesus Christ. I said learn to love.

I picked humanist out of lack of other options. I have no ideology other than what I believe is right for me. If they had that option then I would have picked that.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

i did not say they were defined by laws ..i said laws were reshaped by world views to make what was once unacceptable , acceptable . but it is only acceptable in their own eyes . for in truth it remains an evil.

Laws are made by society, for society and our society has been and still is saturated by Christianity.

 

[AV1611VET]

You mean you wanted to see if I was full of crap or not. lol

More like I saw you blister justlookinla for not exhibiting the love of Christ, that you had apparently picked up as a JW.

As I said, I may have misread what you wrote.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

More like I saw you blister justlookinla for not exhibiting the love of Christ, that you had apparently picked up as a JW.

As I said, I may have misread what you wrote.

No, I called him out on a point of Christianity that is vital to the survival of the religion. You have to bring in new blood and that means evangelizing at every opportunity.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, I called him out on a point of Christianity that is vital to the survival of the religion. You have to bring in new blood and that means evangelizing at every opportunity.

Fair enough.

We do have our "Great Commission."[VERSE=Matthew 28:18-20,KJV][VERSENUM]18[/VERSENUM] And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

[VERSENUM]19[/VERSENUM] Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: [VERSENUM]20[/VERSENUM] Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.[/VERSE]

 

[bhsmte]

These forums are a place for everyone to discuss philosophy, e&m etc. Who runs this place is irrelevant, in my opinion.

Whenever a christian goes down this road; what is an atheist doing on a christian website? You can just about be assured, the atheist is making entirely too much sense, using too much logic and the cognitive dissonance is starting to take hold.

 

[AV1611VET]

Whenever a christian goes down this road; what is an atheist doing on a christian website? You can just about be assured, the atheist is making entirely too much sense, using too much logic and the cognitive dissonance is starting to take hold.

I'll keep that in mind the next time someone asks me what I'm doing here.