Why is Jesus the ????

[TheBarrd]

I do not believe what I'm reading here.
You guys act as if you did not know that we are under a New Covenant.
You don't seem to realize that, under this Covenant, God has written His laws in our hearts.
You don't seem to realize that, under this Covenant, the old punishments do not apply, because we have grace.
No one here, I'm quite sure, would even think of actually breaking any of God's Ten Words...other than the Sabbath.

 

[Elder 111]

Adam and Eve were created innocent of sin, not saved from sin simply because they had not sinned. One cannot be saved until one is lost.

Back to my question. Following the Fall, precisely which laws was Adam required to obey?

Did you not see? The ten commandments.

 

[Elder 111]

I do not believe what I'm reading here.
You guys act as if you did not know that we are under a New Covenant.
You don't seem to realize that, under this Covenant, God has written His laws in our hearts.
You don't seem to realize that, under this Covenant, the old punishments do not apply, because we have grace.
No one here, I'm quite sure, would even think of actually breaking any of God's Ten Words...other than the Sabbath.

The Sabbath should not be broken either.

 

[TheBarrd]

The Sabbath should not be broken either.

I wonder if they realize that they are declaring the Catholic Church to have authority even over God?

 

[BobRyan]

And what commandments does John 15:10 refer to if not the Ten commandments?

It is the TEN commandments as Paul points out in Heb 8:5-10

 

[BobRyan]

Oh. So what happened with the other 603 commandments of the law?

Turns out - the OT is "still the Word of God" and "Still scripture" according to NT writers.

But in Heb 7 and in Heb 10 the system of animal sacrifices are stated to have ended at the cross.

This means the moral law of God expressed within the 1100+ commands of the NT in addition to the OT all apply.

No wonder so much quoting of Lev 19:18 in the NT.

 

[listed]

I do not believe what I'm reading here.
You guys act as if you did not know that we are under a New Covenant.
You don't seem to realize that, under this Covenant, God has written His laws in our hearts.
You don't seem to realize that, under this Covenant, the old punishments do not apply, because we have grace.
No one here, I'm quite sure, would even think of actually breaking any of God's Ten Words...other than the Sabbath.

I simply can not fathom people here do not understand it is not the covenant issued at Mt Sinai written on our hearts as the prophets say.

 

[listed]

Did you not see? The ten commandments.

Where does the Scripture say Adam and Eve had the Ten Commandments? Moses says they did not. Deut 5:3

 

[listed]

I wonder if they realize that they are declaring the Catholic Church to have authority even over God?

When did the (Roman) Catholic Church do this? The Roman Catholic Church did not exist as an authority in 50 AD.

 

[listed]

It is the TEN commandments as Paul points out in Heb 8:5-10

Come again

 

[listed]

And what commandments does John 15:10 refer to if not the Ten commandments?

I have asked more than once for anyone to show us the difference between My commandments and My Father's commandments to no avail. If they are the same why did Jesus not say He kept His commandments? He said very clearly He kept His Father's commandments which He does not ask us to do.

 

[listed]

Turns out - the OT is "still the Word of God" and "Still scripture" according to NT writers.

But in Heb 7 and in Heb 10 the system of animal sacrifices are stated to have ended at the cross.

This means the moral law of God expressed within the 1100+ commands of the NT in addition to the OT all apply.

No wonder so much quoting of Lev 19:18 in the NT.

No the New Covenant is a replacement, not a continuation or revision.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Where does the Scripture say Adam and Eve had the Ten Commandments? Moses says they did not. Deut 5:3

You beat me to the punch here. That was precisely my question. Thank you.

 

[Elder 111]

I wonder if they realize that they are declaring the Catholic Church to have authority even over God?

Tradition is greater than God's commandments. The majority must be right. Sunday must be the "new sabbath".
All the while Satan get his own way in negating God's holy law.

 

[Elder 111]

Where does the Scripture say Adam and Eve had the Ten Commandments? Moses says they did not. Deut 5:3

God says that they did. From the time God condemned Adam and Eve, Cain and every man before Moses. From the time Pharaoh knew that to have Abraham's wife was a sin. Explain why the things of the commandments were kept and required by God if they were not known?

 

[Elder 111]

When did the (Roman) Catholic Church do this? The Roman Catholic Church did not exist as an authority in 50 AD.

Neither was Sunday worship in the christian!

 

[Elder 111]

I have asked more than once for anyone to show us the difference between My commandments and My Father's commandments to no avail. If they are the same why did Jesus not say He kept His commandments? He said very clearly He kept His Father's commandments which He does not ask us to do.

1. It makes no difference if Jesus says His or the Father for they are of the same Spirit. Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high: Phil. 2: 3:Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: John 5:Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
   
2. Jesus said He came to do His Father's will.
3. Jesus said that He and the Father are one. John 14.

9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Therefore in verse 14, Jesus can not be talking about any command that is not of the Father or that He made up.
There can be no room for Jesus to be at any variable to that which the Father represents and requires!

 

[bbbbbbb]

God says that they did. From the time God condemned Adam and Eve, Cain and every man before Moses. From the time Pharaoh knew that to have Abraham's wife was a sin. Explain why the things of the commandments were kept and required by God if they were not known?

Exactly where does it state that the complete Ten Commandments were explicitly stated to Adam and Eve?

 

[Lulav]

Adam and Eve were created innocent of sin, not saved from sin simply because they had not sinned. One cannot be saved until one is lost.

Back to my question. Following the Fall, precisely which laws was Adam required to obey?

How about we start with one that is incumbent for there to even be a human race?

"Then God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply"

reiterated with Noah and his sons

As for you, be fruitful and increase in number; multiply
on the earth and increase upon it

To Jacob

God said to him, "Your name is Jacob; You shall no longer be called Jacob, But Israel shall be your name." Thus He called him Israel. 11God also said to him, "I am God Almighty; Be fruitful and multiply; A nation and a company of nations shall come from you, And kings shall come forth from you. 12"The land which I gave to Abraham and Isaac, I will give it to you, And I will give the land to your descendants after you."…

 

[bbbbbbb]

How about we start with one that is incumbent for there to even be a human race?

"Then God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply"

reiterated with Noah and his sons

As for you, be fruitful and increase in number; multiply
on the earth and increase upon it

To Jacob

God said to him, "Your name is Jacob; You shall no longer be called Jacob, But Israel shall be your name." Thus He called him Israel. 11God also said to him, "I am God Almighty; Be fruitful and multiply; A nation and a company of nations shall come from you, And kings shall come forth from you. 12"The land which I gave to Abraham and Isaac, I will give it to you, And I will give the land to your descendants after you."…

Interesting. That is a commandment that is certainly not in the Ten (nor in the other 603) so I suppose it must not apply to Israel.