Why is Jesus the ????

[Elder 111]

lol! the op does it all~!

One of the things with the OP is that it disregards the word of God. Rev. 12:17; Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.
Jesus and the Ten commandments not Jesus verses the Ten Commandments. Those who oppose the Ten commandments are not on the side of Jesus as the above verse implies.

 

[Frogster]

One of the things with the OP is that it disregards the word of God. Rev. 12:17; Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.
Jesus and the Ten commandments not Jesus verses the Ten Commandments. Those who oppose the Ten commandments are not on the side of Jesus as the above verse implies.

you are not in any way refuting the TEXT i posted, no one is saying that we should become Christian bank robbers, but the TEXT I posted shows if one tries to come to Christ by law one will stumble over the law stumbling block, that being Christ! All showing that the law, is not the way to Christ. Please refute the OP thought.

 

[bugkiller]

One of the things with the OP is that it disregards the word of God. Rev. 12:17; Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.
Jesus and the Ten commandments not Jesus verses the Ten Commandments. Those who oppose the Ten commandments are not on the side of Jesus as the above verse implies.

Nope se you and John are talking about different commandments.

bugkiller

 

[disciple1]

you are not in any way refuting the TEXT i posted, no one is saying that we should become Christian bank robbers, but the TEXT I posted shows if one tries to come to Christ by law one will stumble over the law stumbling block, that being Christ! All showing that the law, is not the way to Christ. Please refute the OP thought.

I believe women can teach in church, and the only law to obey is to love, how do you see it frogster.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.
Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

 

[Frogster]

I believe women can teach in church, and the only law to obey is to love, how do you see it frogster.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.
Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

Hi I great verses on gentiles that u posted! amen!

 

[Frogster]

Nope se you and John are talking about different commandments.

bugkiller

zactly!

 

[Frogster]

One of the things with the OP is that it disregards the word of God. Rev. 12:17; Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.
Jesus and the Ten commandments not Jesus verses the Ten Commandments. Those who oppose the Ten commandments are not on the side of Jesus as the above verse implies.

my oh my..you are straining at an indicative verse, fine, we know Christians do not kill or steal, but you are ignoring the OT point! no one can come to the Lord by law, if you can't refute that, as no one can, please stick to the OP point.

 

[BobRyan]

Those being falsely accused of legalism - have already quoted Rom 3:31, 1 Cor 7:19, 1 John 5:1-4, Rev 14:12... showing the NT authors strongly affirming "the Commandments of God" -- and as we see in Romans 3 and 6, Romans 8, Romans 2 "the Law of God" ...

The effort to get NT authors to be thought of as opposed the Law of God has already failed, and even the majority of pro-SUNDAY scholars admit to the fact that the TEN Commandments are still binding on the saints today as they were in Eden. That includes pro-Sunday sources such as D.L. Moody, R.C. Sproul, the "Baptist Confession of Faith" , the "Westminster Confession of Faith".

The problem is not solved by simply calling all Christians in all groups outside of one tiny anti-Sabbath sliver -- "legalists".

One of the things with the OP is that it disregards the word of God. Rev. 12:17; Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.
Jesus and the Ten commandments not Jesus verses the Ten Commandments. ... .

Good point.

As we also see in Mark 7:6-13

 

[Elder 111]

you are not in any way refuting the TEXT i posted, no one is saying that we should become Christian bank robbers, but the TEXT I posted shows if one tries to come to Christ by law one will stumble over the law stumbling block, that being Christ! All showing that the law, is not the way to Christ. Please refute the OP thought.

What do you mean by "coming to Christ by law"? You need to define that term.

 

[Elder 111]

Nope se you and John are talking about different commandments.

bugkiller

I am talking about the Ten Commandments which ones are John talking about?

 

[bbbbbbb]

I am talking about the Ten Commandments which ones are John talking about?

Oh. So what happened with the other 603 commandments of the law?

 

[Frogster]

What do you mean by "coming to Christ by law"? You need to define that term.

Sure bro...one can not be saved by law, or with law.

 

[Frogster]

Oh. So what happened with the other 603 commandments of the law?

It is just like what our SDA friends do with other laws, they don't keep feasts, yet they keep food laws, they select which ones they want, all while feasts and food laws are in the same law code, and in Lev, as you know. Hope things are going well and safe, where you minister the gospel!

 

[Frogster]

Oh. So what happened with the other 603 commandments of the law?

They are in the buffet cafeteria, pick-n-choose a law.

 

[listed]

I am talking about the Ten Commandments which ones are John talking about?

John 15:10 has been quoted to you often enough you should not need to ask this question.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Whether you like or not that is not conveyed in the text as bugkiller showed with Lk 24:44. Besides John 1:16 is talking about the fullness of Jesus and not the law. You need something that says grace was added to the law. The law is not grace. The law does not provide for grace either. I did not say grace did not exist.

That distinction is really vital. It is not a NT idea. Psalm 85:10 makes that clear.

It is just like what our SDA friends do with other laws, they don't keep feasts, yet they keep food laws, they select which ones they want, all while feasts and food laws are in the same law code, and in Lev, as you know. Hope things are going well and safe, where you minister the gospel!

That is what I always find perplexing. Those who would place us under the yoke of the law do not themselve obey that law.

Thanks for the greeting. All is well here, although we are being inundated with rain now. God is blessing His word here and I rejoice.

 

[Elder 111]

Oh. So what happened with the other 603 commandments of the law?

Do you propose that Jesus was talking about those in Revelation?

 

[disciple1]

Do you propose that Jesus was talking about those in Revelation?

But you don't obey the law.
1 John chapter 1 verse 8
If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law yet stumbles at just one point their guilty of breaking all of it.
So we're all guilty of every sin.
Matthew 11
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
2nd John
6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.
1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
1 John chapter 4 verse 8, 16

Says God is love.
The law is a burden no one has ever been able to bear except Jesus.
All we can do is love.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.

 

[Elder 111]

John 15:10 has been quoted to you often enough you should not need to ask this question.

And what commandments does John 15:10 refer to if not the Ten commandments?

 

[Elder 111]

That distinction is really vital. It is not a NT idea. Psalm 85:10 makes that clear.



That is what I always find perplexing. Those who would place us under the yoke of the law do not themselve obey that law.

Thanks for the greeting. All is well here, although we are being inundated with rain now. God is blessing His word here and I rejoice.

The ten commandments is a yoke? To serve God alone is a yoke?