Did the Catholic Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday?

[BobRyan]

Genesis 26:5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

Good point and as we see - even the majority of pro-sunday scholarship accepts this fact that the commandments of God were binding on all mankind from Eden to this very day -- and that they include the TEN Commandments.

No the Scripture does not say Abraham kept the law. .

Once again I find your logic "illusive" given the text under discussion.

And as for this thread - even the RCC admits that the TEN Commandments are part of God's moral law for all mankind.


in Christ,

Bob

 

[bugkiller]

Good point and as we see - even the majority of pro-sunday scholarship accepts this fact that the commandments of God were binding on all mankind from Eden to this very day -- and that they include the TEN Commandments.



Once again I find your logic "illusive" given the text under discussion.

And as for this thread - even the RCC admits that the TEN Commandments are part of God's moral law for all mankind.


in Christ,

Bob

Why should he care?

And Abraham didn't keep the law per Moses.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

No the Scripture does not say Abraham kept the law.

Moses says -

And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

I will take Moses over you any day.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Genesis 26:5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

This isn't the law that came 430 later.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

This isn't the law that came 430 later.

bugkiller

Yes it is according to the "Baptist Confession of Faith" and the "Westminster Confession of Faith" and "D.L. Moody" and "R.C. Sproul" and a great many others.

But you are welcomed to your opinion as well as they.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Same subject coming up on a new thread - so some of these same answers to the same questions will likely be needed.

While the Catholic church changed the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday, it didn't change the Sabbath to Sunday. Rather, Sunday is considered the Lord's day, when Christians meet to break bread. In the Catholic church, Catholics don't actually keep Sabbath in the Jewish sense, refraining from Labor (although nothing prohibits this either). But at any rate, if you go to New Advent, the Catholic encyclopedia, and look up Sabbath, this is what you will find:

"Sabbath - The seventh day of the week among the Hebrews, the day being counted from sunset to sunset, that is, from Friday evening to Saturday evening"​

 

[BobRyan]

Had to clean up the post below after the new-format CF hosting environment inserted a lot of formatting text.


I think all will see that Leo Trese's point about " no Bible text for this change" holds up to a close review of scripture.

(from "The Faith Explained" page 243
we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day - which was observed as the Lord's day that was the law as God gave it 'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident

The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy..

nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday. ...that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church

Here for example we have a Catholic commentator - far superior - far beyond the video personality claiming to show what the RCC does or does not claim.

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Originally Posted by BobRyan

A Bible text then??? Is that what you want to propose.

"I the Lord Jesus am your Sabbath and have bent the Lord's day from the Sabbath SEVENTH day to now point to week-day-1 for week-day-1 is now the Lord's Day fulfilling the Sabbath Commandment moral obligation that is still-binding on all the saints. "??

I look forward to your finding such a text..

Popcorn in hand... this should be good.

Because on THIS point - I think all will see that Leo Trese's point about " no Bible text for this change" holds up to a close review of scripture.

(from "The Faith Explained" page 243
we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day - which was observed as the Lord's day that was the law as God gave it 'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident

The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...

nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday. ...that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church
​

 

[BukiRob]

This isn't the law that came 430 later.

bugkiller

That is a presumption by you. You have absolutely no evidence to the contrary. G-d's nature nor his law have EVER changed. What do you suppose was the Tree of Life in the midst of the garden? Do we not CLEARLY see in scripture that when Yeshua rules from Jerusalem that the LAW will be resorted??

By Torah everything was created.

 

[bugkiller]

Good point and as we see - even the majority of pro-sunday scholarship accepts this fact that the commandments of God were binding on all mankind from Eden to this very day -- and that they include the TEN Commandments.



Once again I find your logic "illusive" given the text under discussion.

And as for this thread - even the RCC admits that the TEN Commandments are part of God's moral law for all mankind.


in Christ,

Bob

Where does the Bible say Abraham kept the law?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Yes it is according to the "Baptist Confession of Faith" and the "Westminster Confession of Faith" and "D.L. Moody" and "R.C. Sproul" and a great many others.

But you are welcomed to your opinion as well as they.

in Christ,

Bob

That isn't what Moses says. And I don't care what non Bible sources you quote say.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

That is a presumption by you. You have absolutely no evidence to the contrary. G-d's nature nor his law have EVER changed. What do you suppose was the Tree of Life in the midst of the garden? Do we not CLEARLY see in scripture that when Yeshua rules from Jerusalem that the LAW will be resorted??

By Torah everything was created.

Are you trying to be funny? I read the Bible a few times.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

No the Scripture does not say Abraham kept the law.

Moses says -

And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

I will take Moses over you any day.

Genesis 26:5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

Where does the Bible say Abraham kept the law?

bugkiller

I think that answer from Genesis has been posted about a dozen times now.

Gen 26 "Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.”

Apparently we share this in common - we both seem to never tire of seeing this answer posted!!

 

[bugkiller]

Good point and as we see - even the majority of pro-sunday scholarship accepts this fact that the commandments of God were binding on all mankind from Eden to this very day -- and that they include the TEN Commandments.



Once again I find your logic "illusive" given the text under discussion.

And as for this thread - even the RCC admits that the TEN Commandments are part of God's moral law for all mankind.


in Christ,

Bob

What s so illusive about Abraham not keeping the law?

I don't care what your religious sources say.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

That is a presumption by you. You have absolutely no evidence to the contrary. G-d's nature nor his law have EVER changed. What do you suppose was the Tree of Life in the midst of the garden? Do we not CLEARLY see in scripture that when Yeshua rules from Jerusalem that the LAW will be resorted??

By Torah everything was created.

You problem is I've read the complete Bible.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

I think that answer from Genesis has been posted about a dozen times now.

Gen 26 "Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.”

Apparently we share this in common - we both seem to never tire of seeing this answer posted!!

Moses said

5 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.

2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.

3 The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

So Abraham didn't have the law.

Paul says

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

bugkiller

 

[BukiRob]

You problem is I've read the complete Bible.

bugkiller

Me too... reading and understanding are two different things... And by your attitude you apparently have not learned much.

 

[BobRyan]

(from "The Faith Explained" page 243
we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day - which was observed as the Lord's day that was the law as God gave it 'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident

The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy..

Though many may not agree that the RCC ever made this change - they do offer this challenge.


nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday. ...that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church

Had to clean up the post below after the new-format CF hosting environment inserted a lot of formatting text.


I think all will see that Leo Trese's point about " no Bible text for this change" holds up to a close review of scripture.

(from "The Faith Explained" page 243
we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day - which was observed as the Lord's day that was the law as God gave it 'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident

The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy..

nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday. ...that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church

 

[BobRyan]

I think that answer from Genesis has been posted about a dozen times now.
Gen 26 "Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.”
Apparently we share this in common - we both seem to never tire of seeing this answer posted!!

What s so illusive about Abraham not keeping the law?
I don't care what your religious sources say.
bugkiller

As noted above - my "religious sources" include the "Word of God" -- Gen 26 specifically.

I choose to affirm them.

But as you point out -- this is where we differ.

 

[Meowzltov]

The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy..

So long as we understand that although the Catholic Church changed the SOLEMNITY from Saturday to Sunday, we didn't change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. We switched our worship from Sabbath to the Lord's Day. If you look up Sabbath in the Catholic Encyclopedia, it will still say it goes from Friday sundown until Saturday sundown.

 

[Meowzltov]

You problem is I've read the complete Bible.

Many people have read the complete Bible yet interpret it wildly different.