Do ladies only like guys with "cheating leverage"?

[fat wee robin]

Women are attracted to CONFIDENCE. I'm 5'7", have an average build, and probably a 6.5 out of 10 on the looks. I can name plenty of reasons why women wouldn't date me, but I don't, I focus on the things that I have going for me: humor, intelligence, CONFIDENCE. Douchebags are great at showing confidence.

What I always liked were men who had a passion for something ,whether their work or sport or ideas . I would get bored by those who seemed to need you to bolster their
lack of confidence .Being interested in something other than you, meant that he would not suffocate you , and you could share your interests . Later when the relationship evolves ,is the time for 'helping each other 'with problems .

 

[fat wee robin]

I agree. But I think it goes further. For example two identical twins courting a woman, all things are the same but one guy doesnt date as much and stays away from certain social spots due to his beliefs. The other has been seen by the woman being courted in the constant company of females. 9 of 10 times who will that woman choose? I put my money on the cassanova.

So why then do Christian men have to be so dull ?
Was Jesus dull, are priests DULL ,were all the apostles dull ?
I think it is an attitude towards others of 'judging ',instead of looking with the 'eyes' of God on a woman ans seeing what great things she can offer you ,and stop looking always for a 'virgin' ,as most of the reasons for the non virgins in the past ,is that Christian men slept with the vulnerable ones and then married the confident 'virgins' from 'good families ' . Hypocritical !!
We need to go back to the 50's and begin again . Good men were innocent ones,and cheaters were just that ,to be avoided ,but holywood ,rock 'n roll ,and so on made it impossible to be good as it was not the fashion to be so ,with pressure from every corner ,and they made money out of it ,the evil ones . People are not liberated they are wasted .

 

[buzuxi02]

We should indeed go back unfortunately christians created this mess. Hence why I said many posts back that I may not be old but I am a dinosaur, a relic from not only a different century but maybe from a different continent. I would be more in place culturally living in Lebanon than anywhere in the west. Times have changed, morals have changed and what people find desireable has changed.

 

[timewerx]

I would be more in place culturally living in Lebanon than anywhere in the west

you don't want that wish come true....

seriously, been there. Such culture promotes homosexual behavior even in straight men and women. I'm not against homosexuality, but being a straight man myself, experienced such culture and you have tons of men trying to get on my pants because of my effeminate looks, it's torture for me. I've been in the west, and the west is a far better culture, believe me....

I'm not a guy who want to get on every pretty women's pants. I'm too geeky for that and I don't condone infidelity either but still, I like the western culture better.

 

[Messy]

I am talking about nice women with values! If anything the immoral woman will get the pious nice guy after she goes through the carousel and she tricks him into thinking an angel out of heaven fell in his lap.

So if a nice guy falls for a bad woman it's her fault and if a nice girl falls for a bad guy it's her fault, lol.

 

[Messy]

But the question is why are modern day women attracted to ex-cons

A converted ex con is much more attractive than a 'nice' guy who judges people for their past when Jesus did their sins away.
Michael Brown is a good husband and Steve Hill when he was alive too. They're both ex harddrug addicts.
David was an ex cheater and a man after God's heart and Paul an ex killer.

 

[redblue22]

go back to the 50's? and what color are you?

 

[Messy]

go back to the 50's? and what color are you?

 

[LoveDivine]

go back to the 50's? and what color are you?

Lol, very true. I think the tendency is to romanticize previous generations. No era in history has been perfect. Perhaps the family unit was more intact in the 50's, but there were major racial tension and postwar issues to deal with. I think Christians have faced different challenges in every society that has existed. I don't think we can confidently state that this is the hardest era to find a spouse or start a family. It probably was more difficult in the early church. You could find other decent believers to marry, but then you'd wonder/worry if you and your family were going to be put to death. Personally, I'd rather deal with today's issues.

 

[fat wee robin]

you don't want that wish come true....

seriously, been there. Such culture promotes homosexual behavior even in straight men and women. I'm not against homosexuality, but being a straight man myself, experienced such culture and you have tons of men trying to get on my pants because of my effeminate looks, it's torture for me. I've been in the west, and the west is a far better culture, believe me....

I'm not a guy who want to get on every pretty women's pants. I'm too geeky for that and I don't condone infidelity either but still, I like the western culture better.

There is big difference in Western cultures.I prefer older and more discreet ways ,and
the US is too loud ,too extreme and dare I say in general shallow . Some of the programmes you have are beyond ridiculous .

 

[Messy]

There is big difference in Western cultures.I prefer older and more discreet ways ,and
the US is too loud ,too extreme and dare I say in general shallow . Some of the programmes you have are beyond ridiculous .

Almolonga, Guatamala is christian and the men and women sit apart in church so I think it's old fashioned. Almost the whole town is saved.

 

[MiniEmu]

This has nothing to do with good looking fellas or ugly ones. The good looking individual will attract like to like. And beauty in a woman covers a multitude of sins. Nothing to debate there.

But the question is why are modern day women attracted to ex-cons, alcoholic night owls and tattooed up freaks. What makes a guy with a criminal record more desireable than one without. What makes a guy with a tattoo sleave who spends most of his money on night life more interesting. The sad answer is because douchebags are more interesting than a christian on friday night studying scripture.

It takes more than a tattoo sleeve and splashing his cash around during the night to make people interesting. Someone who spends their Friday nights studying scripture can be just as interesting as someone who has modified their body heavily, someone with a heavily modified body and a fondness for nights on the town can be just as dull. I'm not sure of the relevance of having a criminal record. Past actions are past actions, they do not make someone any more interesting than someone without them.

There has always been a "pecking order" if you like, even among Christians. In the 50's it existed too, and men who complained about it then complained just as bitterly as the complaining men of today. That's not a bad thing, it's never a bad thing to sit back and think about society around you, but when we start thinking about absolutes we can start falling victim to confirmation bias. We see what we expect to see, and anything outside of that can sometimes be ignored or explained away rather than questioning the truth we've built up.

 

[Messy]

We had something at the office about personality types and you had green ones who are friendly and loyal but noone might see them and they can complain about that. It was just about work related things. I am small and you all are big and it's unfair, Calimero.
Sometimes I can think why don't they see what I do, why do they think less of me, but if I don't make myself visible and always talk myself down (oh I just draw some maps, just stupid work anyone can do) I can't really blame them that they don't see me.

 

[buzuxi02]

What was wrong with the 50's . It was a simpler time period when blacks actually knew who their fathers were (as did whites), created great music which even whites loved, and ended jim crow laws through civil protest that actually accomplished something unlike todays riots.

 

[Al T]

I haven't read the whole thread but I think that the original premise is flawed by assuming that just because someone could cheat that they will. Equally that when a person is cheated on; to say they must have someone who is even more likely to cheat on them is bonkers. Plus learning that you don't want to be cheated on, and picking a nice guy who won't, isn't settling. It's just realising that you don't want to be treated that way any more.

In skimming this thread I didn't see charisma mentioned. You can be a nice guy, a Christian guy, but you can also have bags of charisma that literally can sweep a lady off of her feet. That can make you unstoppable with her. You continue to use that charisma and rapport with her and you will never lose her. Looks can fade in importance quite rapidly when faced with that.

Find a woman who you would like to date and who would like to date you. Now both of you enjoy the chase. Finally after it's all done and dusted you can both sit back and enjoy yourselves.

Also sales skills will help you. How to open the conversation. Conversation techniques. Solution Sales. Most importantly always continue to close.

Even if a lady strikes you off her list remember that she's/he's one less you have to talk to find the one.

 

[SnowyMacie]

What was wrong with the 50's . It was a simpler time period when blacks actually knew who their fathers were (as did whites), created great music which even whites loved, and ended jim crow laws through civil protest that actually accomplished something unlike todays riots.

Except Jim Crow laws were not abolished until the 60s.

 

[buzuxi02]

A converted ex con is much more attractive than a 'nice' guy who judges people for their past when Jesus did their sins away.
Michael Brown is a good husband and Steve Hill when he was alive too. They're both ex harddrug addicts.
David was an ex cheater and a man after God's heart and Paul an ex killer.

Other than David and Paul I have no idea who these other guys are, but alright. But I think your post proves the OP. Women dont take into account a man's past. Men will take into account a womans past to assess her reputation.
Theres that saying, 'Men want a woman who will be his first, women want a man who will be her last". So you prove the original poster correct.

 

[buzuxi02]

Except Jim Crow laws were not abolished until the 60s.

Not true the entire movement started in 50's. Jackie Robinson ended jim Crow in baseball, Rosa Parks ended segregated buses all in the 50's.
Black music became mainstream american culture in the 50's. And alot of that music was actually good unlike today.

 

[SnowyMacie]

Not true the entire movement started in 50's. Jackie Robinson ended jim Crow in baseball, Rosa Parks ended segregated buses all in the 50's.

It is correct to say the Civil Rights movement started in the 50s, it is not correct to say Jim Crow laws ended in the 50s, Jim Crows laws were not entirely abolished until the Civil Rights Act of 1964, however, they did start getting ruled unconstitutional beginning with Brown v Board of Education in 1954.

 

[Al T]

Other than David and Paul I have no idea who these other guys are, but alright. But I think your post proves the OP. Women dont take into account a man's past. Men will take into account a womans past to assess her reputation.
Theres that saying, 'Men want a woman who will be his first, women want a man who will be her last". So you prove the original poster correct.

The problem with sayings is that they only apply to some people not everyone. Your assertion doesn't apply to me - I am looking for my last.
I certainly don't assess a ladies past to see whether I want to date her. I assess who she is right now - because guess what? People change.