The Only Debate Worth Having About Science And The Past

[Loudmouth]

MU experiment is nothing but chemistry.

So is life.

The idea that man is a product of chemistry is a religious belief.

It is an observation. All of the processes in the body can be described as chemical reactions.

But living cell isn't just chemistry like a dead cell.

Prove it.

 

[Smidlee]

So is life.

False.

It is an observation. All of the processes in the body can be described as chemical reactions.

My computer I'm using doesn't explain away the information I'm sending though the internet. The same with life.

 

[Loudmouth]

False.

Then name a single process in the body that doesn't involve chemistry.

My computer I'm using doesn't explain away the information I'm sending though the internet. The same with life.

Prove it.

 

[Smidlee]

Then name a single process in the body that doesn't involve chemistry.

Does the plastic DVD explains the movie written on it?

Prove it.

If you don't want to believe the universe exist outside your mind no one can prove it to you.

 

[Loudmouth]

Does the plastic DVD explains the movie written on it?

Along with the other pieces of AV equipment, yes it does. It explains how those pictures get on the screen and how those sounds are made. The making of the movie and the making of the DVD are also natural processes. Nowhere in the making of a movie is there evidence for the involvement of the supernatural.

If you don't want to believe the universe exist outside your mind no one can prove it to you.

I accept that there is a universe that exists outside of my mind.

Now, prove your claim.

"My computer I'm using doesn't explain away the information I'm sending though the internet. The same with life."--Smidlee

 

[Smidlee]

Along with the other pieces of AV equipment, yes it does. It explains how those pictures get on the screen and how those sounds are made. The making of the movie and the making of the DVD are also natural processes. Nowhere in the making of a movie is there evidence for the involvement of the supernatural.

Prove the making of the movie is just the results of natural processes.

I accept that there is a universe that exists outside of my mind.

Now, prove your claim.

"My computer I'm using doesn't explain away the information I'm sending though the internet. The same with life."--Smidlee

Information itself has no mass. I can't prove to you I'm not a computer program since I'm talk to you by going through a computer.

 

[Loudmouth]

Prove the making of the movie is just the results of natural processes.

Which part do you have doubts about? Do you think images appear on the film negative by magic? Do you think the optics of lenses are magic?

Information itself has no mass. I can't prove to you I'm not a computer program since I'm talk to you by going through a computer.

All mass has information, including the air around you. Why does that require an intelligence?

 

[Smidlee]

Which part do you have doubts about? Do you think images appear on the film negative by magic? Do you think the optics of lenses are magic?

It all depends on what you call magic. A movie appear out of thin air in a man's imagination.

All mass has information, including the air around you. Why does that require an intelligence?

I assume you knew I'm referring to "code" and "word" kind of information like found on a movie DVD.

 

[Loudmouth]

It all depends on what you call magic. A movie appear out of thin air in a man's imagination.

No, it doesn't. Have you never heard of a brain? Do you understand that the brain works through chemistry?

"Neurochemistry is the specific study of neurochemicals, including neurotransmitters and other molecules (such as psychopharmaceuticals, neuropeptides, or gastrotransmitters) that influence the function of neurons. This field closely examines how these neurochemicals influence the network of neural operation."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurochemistry

I assume you knew I'm referring to "code" and "word" kind of information like found on a movie DVD.

Single atoms also have codes, including the hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, and carbon that are floating around you.

https://www.chemcomp.com/journal/molorbs.htm

 

[Smidlee]

No, it doesn't. Have you never heard of a brain? Do you understand that the brain works through chemistry?

"Neurochemistry is the specific study of neurochemicals, including neurotransmitters and other molecules (such as psychopharmaceuticals, neuropeptides, or gastrotransmitters) that influence the function of neurons. This field closely examines how these neurochemicals influence the network of neural operation."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurochemistry

This is a dog chasing it's own tail. In order to study the brain you have to use the very thing you are studying. The real question is who is actually doing the studying?

Single atoms also have codes, including the hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, and carbon that are floating around you.

https://www.chemcomp.com/journal/molorbs.htm

Now you are changing to subject toward the fine tuned the laws of physics are for life.

 

[Loudmouth]

In order to study the brain you have to use the very thing you are studying.

No I don't. I can study someone else's brain.

The real question is who is actually doing the studying?

All of the neurobiologists I know of are human. They all study brains that aren't theirs.

are changing to subject toward the fine tuned the laws of physics are for life.

No, I'm not. I am pointing to the code of atomic orbitals.

http://chemwiki.ucdavis.edu/Physica...Theory/Electrons_in_Atoms/Electronic_Orbitals

It is directly comparable to the information found in DNA.

 

[Smidlee]

No I don't. I can study someone else's brain.

LOL You still are using the thing you are studying , a human brain. You will never get to know a person by studying their brain. Your biological brain will only go as far as someone's else biological brain.

No, I'm not. I am pointing to the code of atomic orbitals.

http://chemwiki.ucdavis.edu/Physica...Theory/Electrons_in_Atoms/Electronic_Orbitals

It is directly comparable to the information found in DNA.

Atoms themselves doesn't explain the genetic code. The genetic code itself doesn't explain the scientist.

 

[Loudmouth]

LOL You still are using the thing you are studying , a human brain.

No, you aren't. I already explained that.

You will never get to know a person by studying their brain. Your biological brain will only go as far as someone's else biological brain.

Sure you can. You can say and do things, and look for the reactions the brain makes. You can study this in the words and actions that the brain produces.

Atoms themselves doesn't explain the genetic code.

Why not?

 

[Smidlee]

No, you aren't. I already explained that.

nope.

Sure you can. You can say and do things, and look for the reactions the brain makes. You can study this in the words and actions that the brain produces.

Nope. What you are studying in our brain reactions to our thoughts. There is no evidence of "words" having physical existence.
You only know what you already know. Everything you know about the outside world including the brain is the recreation of your own mind. You can't think or speak outside your head unless you are physical dead.

Why not?

Because bottom-up worldview doesn't work.

 

[Loudmouth]

nope.

Show me a single neurobiologist whose only subject has been his own brain.

Nope. What you are studying in our brain reactions to our thoughts.

The thoughts are the brain's reaction to stimuli.

There is no evidence of "words" having physical existence.

There is evidence of specific reactions in brains as caused by spoken sounds and images.

"Imagine tapping into the mind of a coma patient, or watching one’s own dream on YouTube. With a cutting-edge blend of brain imaging and computer simulation, scientists at the University of California, Berkeley, are bringing these futuristic scenarios within reach.

Using functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging (fMRI) and computational models, UC Berkeley researchers have succeeded in decoding and reconstructing people’s dynamic visual experiences – in this case, watching Hollywood movie trailers."
http://news.berkeley.edu/2011/09/22/brain-movies/

 

[Smidlee]

Show me a single neurobiologist whose only subject has been his own brain.

Neurobiologist can't speak and think outside their head.

The thoughts are the brain's reaction to stimuli.

Where did this assumption come from except inside your head.

There is evidence of specific reactions in brains as caused by spoken sounds and images.

"Imagine tapping into the mind of a coma patient, or watching one’s own dream on YouTube. With a cutting-edge blend of brain imaging and computer simulation, scientists at the University of California, Berkeley, are bringing these futuristic scenarios within reach.

Using functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging (fMRI) and computational models, UC Berkeley researchers have succeeded in decoding and reconstructing people’s dynamic visual experiences – in this case, watching Hollywood movie trailers."
http://news.berkeley.edu/2011/09/22/brain-movies/

You are still referring to how our brain reacts yet it doesn't explain the one who doing the explaining. Who is actually doing the watching?

 

[Loudmouth]

Neurobiologist can't speak and think outside their head.

You can't hear a neurobiologist speak? Are you deaf?

Where did this assumption come from except inside your head.

They came from independent evidence found in the universe around me.

You are still referring to how our brain reacts yet it doesn't explain the one who doing the explaining.

Why not? It shows a direct correlation between brain activity and thoughts.

 

[Smidlee]

You can't hear a neurobiologist speak? Are you deaf?



They came from independent evidence found in the universe around me.



Why not? It shows a direct correlation between brain activity and thoughts.

The only evidence of me you have is through the internet using computers. The same with the brain.

Your mind don't have direct contact with the outside world.

 

[Loudmouth]

The only evidence of me you have is through the internet using computers. The same with the brain.

Using fMRI, we can directly measure brain activity. That is more than looking at the outputs.

Your mind don't have direct contact with the outside world.

It most certainly does. Have you not heard of the 5 senses?

 

[Smidlee]

Using fMRI, we can directly measure brain activity. That is more than looking at the outputs.



It most certainly does. Have you not heard of the 5 senses?

Notice I wrote "your mind". you are assuming exactly as this video points out , that man can explain himself away mechanically.