Why is Jesus the ????

[Elder 111]

But you don't obey the law.
1 John chapter 1 verse 8
If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law yet stumbles at just one point their guilty of breaking all of it.
So we're all guilty of every sin.
Matthew 11
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
2nd John
6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.
1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
1 John chapter 4 verse 8, 16

Says God is love.
The law is a burden no one has ever been able to bear except Jesus.
All we can do is love.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.

Do you here confirm that the law that says we should serve Gd alone is a burden? Speak or forever hold your peace.

 

[Frogster]

But you don't obey the law.
1 John chapter 1 verse 8
If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law yet stumbles at just one point their guilty of breaking all of it.
So we're all guilty of every sin.
Matthew 11
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
2nd John
6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.
1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
1 John chapter 4 verse 8, 16

Says God is love.
The law is a burden no one has ever been able to bear except Jesus.
All we can do is love.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.

good stuff!

 

[Frogster]

Do you here confirm that the law that says we should serve Gd alone is a burden? Speak or forever hold your peace.

we serve in grace, you never talk about grace, you just promote law.

 

[disciple1]

And what commandments does John 15:10 refer to if not the Ten commandments?

But you don't obey the 10 commandments I all ready showed you that.
And here's what you get if you try to obey them.
Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Do you propose that Jesus was talking about those in Revelation?

It is not in the least bit certain (in fact it is exceedingly probable) that Jesus was not talking about ten of the 613 commandments in Revelation.

 

[disciple1]

It is not in the least bit certain (in fact it is exceedingly probable) that Jesus was not talking about ten of the 613 commandments in Revelation.

Any law you have your going to break your not going to obey.
1 Corinthians chapter 15 verse 56
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.

 

[Elder 111]

we serve in grace, you never talk about grace, you just promote law.

Would God credit grace to you if you do not serve Him alone? If you ignore the first of the ten., "thou shall have no other God", can grace be credited to you? Speak!

 

[Elder 111]

But you don't obey the 10 commandments I all ready showed you that.
And here's what you get if you try to obey them.
Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

This speaks directly to the rejection of Jesus by the Jews and not the removal of the Ten commandments. Does it say that we can have idols? Does it say that we can steal? Or lie? You will admit that such is sin, therefore you admit that the Ten commandments are required of Christians today.

 

[Elder 111]

It is not in the least bit certain (in fact it is exceedingly probable) that Jesus was not talking about ten of the 613 commandments in Revelation.

Tell us what He was talking about then! Rev. 22
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

 

[Elder 111]

Any law you have your going to break your not going to obey.
1 Corinthians chapter 15 verse 56
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.

God is so weak and feeble that He can not give us His Spirit to live holy lives? 1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. Job. 18 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

 

[disciple1]

Would God credit grace to you if you do not serve Him alone? If you ignore the first of the ten., "thou shall have no other God", can grace be credited to you? Speak!

You sin.
1 Timothy chapter 1 verse 7,8
They want to be teachers of the law but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm. We know the law is good if one uses it properly.
Galatians chapter 3 verse 24,25,23
So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith now that faith has come we are no longer under the supervision of the law before this faith came we were held prisoners by the law locked up until faith should be revealed.
Jesus came to testify to the truth and they killed him.
John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who believed him Jesus said if you hold to my teaching you are really my disciples and you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.
Jeremiah chapter 9 verse 24
but let the one who boasts boast about this: that they have the understanding to know me, that I am the LORD, who exercises kindness, justice and righteousness on earth, for in these I delight," declares the LORD.
Jeremiah chapter 22 verse 16
He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?" declares the LORD.

2 John verse 9
9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
So I have God and Christ do you.
Here's what you get if you try to obey the law.
Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.


Hebrews chapter 7
11. If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come--one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?
12. For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.


18. The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless

19. (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

And this shows your slaves if you try to obey the law.

 

[Elder 111]

Elder 111 said: ↑
Would God credit grace to you if you do not serve Him alone? If you ignore the first of the ten., "thou shall have no other God", can grace be credited to you? Speak!

You sin.
1 Timothy chapter 1 verse 7,8
They want to be teachers of the law but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm. We know the law is good if one uses it properly.
Galatians chapter 3 verse 24,25,23
So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith now that faith has come we are no longer under the supervision of the law before this faith came we were held prisoners by the law locked up until faith should be revealed.
Jesus came to testify to the truth and they killed him.
John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who believed him Jesus said if you hold to my teaching you are really my disciples and you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.
Jeremiah chapter 9 verse 24
but let the one who boasts boast about this: that they have the understanding to know me, that I am the LORD, who exercises kindness, justice and righteousness on earth, for in these I delight," declares the LORD.
Jeremiah chapter 22 verse 16
He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?" declares the LORD.

2 John verse 9
9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
So I have God and Christ do you.
Here's what you get if you try to obey the law.
Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.


Hebrews chapter 7
11. If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come--one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?
12. For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.


18. The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless

19. (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

And this shows your slaves if you try to obey the law.

All of this long talk and you have not answered the question. Can you please do that?

 

[disciple1]

Elder 111 said: ↑
Would God credit grace to you if you do not serve Him alone? If you ignore the first of the ten., "thou shall have no other God", can grace be credited to you? Speak!

All of this long talk and you have not answered the question. Can you please do that?

Galatians chapter 3 verse 24,25,23
So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith now that faith has come we are no longer under the supervision of the law before this faith came we were held prisoners by the law locked up until faith should be revealed.
You didn't read what I wrote or your blind, I sin less than you because I'm not under the law, but your under the law so you sin more than me.
1 Corinthians chapter 15 verse 56
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.

 

[listed]

Tell us what He was talking about then! Rev. 22
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Are you preaching to yourself?

 

[Frogster]

there is not one post here that disproves my op point, and I am not shocked at all.

 

[Elder 111]

Galatians chapter 3 verse 24,25,23
So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith now that faith has come we are no longer under the supervision of the law before this faith came we were held prisoners by the law locked up until faith should be revealed.
You didn't read what I wrote or your blind, I sin less than you because I'm not under the law, but your under the law so you sin more than me.
1 Corinthians chapter 15 verse 56
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.

So there is one set of rules for you and another for me? Because I believe that I should have no other god before God my sin greater because you do not believe that?

 

[Elder 111]

Are you preaching to yourself?

Because I asked a question you are unwilling to answer?

 

[listed]

Because I asked a question you are unwilling to answer?

You have been answered several times on this passage with plenty support for our answers. You simply ignore them without discussion like a good obedient boy. Ellen is proud of you.

Never-the-less we are very honored to be devalued and called murderers, idolater and liars. Whatever makes you feel good.

 

[disciple1]

Are you preaching to yourself?

YOU DON'T OBEY THE LAW.
2 John verse 6
6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.
Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

 

[disciple1]

You have been answered several times on this passage with plenty support for our answers. You simply ignore them without discussion like a good obedient boy. Ellen is proud of you.

Never-the-less we are very honored to be devalued and called murderers, idolater and liars. Whatever makes you feel good.

Who's Ellen?
Matthew 11
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
1 John chapter 4 verse 8, 16

Says God is love.

I'll go with love rather than bear a heavy burden that no one but Christ has ever been able to carry.