Are We Christians or Israelites?

[ron4shua]

 

[SpiritRehab]

Hi Ron4Shua I like that song, "Shine Jesus Shine," has a catchy early 80's sitcom intro feel to it. It was a good decade Anyway, about your Bible notes...

I hadn't heard of the ISR translation before. Checked out their website & details on the translation. Interesting stuff. I'm a KJV guy for now. Simply because I believe the Holy Spirit has & will continue to help me recognize the errors in it; until I am able to move on to the original language scriptures. So I feel comfortable using it for now.

About our Father's name. I agree it is Yah, but that's like the short form, right?

Also, I agree, no "J" in Hebrew. That's why I didn't believe His name is Jehovah. I used to call Him Yahweh. I've heard very well educated linguists call Him Yihweh & Yahwah. Recently I've come to believe His name is Yahouah; which is basically Jehovah, except with a Ya & a U. Same with His Son, Yahoshua.

Yahouah
Yahoshuah

Almost the same name, except for the Shin.

I also agree that Christian or Messianites, which I didn't know about, but seems obvious now that you told me, is a derogatory name.

King Agrippa uses it in a backhanded compliment to Saul, saying,
"Almost though persuadest me to be a Christian,"
which I believe means that Saul's explanation was very good, but the idea of a King being a lowly Christian cult member is laughable; from his pop-cultural high-horse perspective.

Also, Simon the Rock BarJonah, mentions it as being used by unbelievers as a shameful, hated slur; saying, "Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God on this behalf." Keywords, suffer & ashamed, being the intent of them that called our people Christian.

I also agree that the Apostles themselves, and arguably even the Holy Spirit, since He's the co-author, is calling us people of "the Way." Especially since Yahoshua Himself said, "I am the Way, the Truth & the Life," Still, the reason I honestly believe the official name of our the Saviour's people is Israel, is that He doesn't make mistakes or change His mind. The choices He makes are until the fulfillment of those choices.

So when He changed Yacob's name to Ysrael, and later called His people "Israel" even His "first born" and later said, "...my people who are called by my name," and later still said, "being aliens of the commonwealth of Israel," and "being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in," finally said, "all Israel will be saved," from Genesis to Revelation, calling His people Israel. Then I believe that is the name He chose for His people and I'm grateful for it

ps. Not offended at all.
I think once a believer has suffered persecution from fellow believers, then all interactions that would have previously offended, flow like water off a duck's back <

 

[ron4shua]

 

[ron4shua]

Greetings my brother , all this music I thought was being posted on sister morning dove's music OP ,
I'll move it tomorrow . Sorry , I'll clean it up .
YAH is THE NAME , the weh or anything connected to THE NAME is " Almighty or/& Creator or/&
only Deity Or etc etc . I use with peace of mind " YAHweh " . Elohim is a main word for the Greek
pagan word " god " which in fact is a pagan deity from about the time of the Genesis Tower .
Greek has one word for deity . Hebrew has if I recollect correctly about 130 . Eskimo's have over
300 words for snow .
To address your OP , I'm going to list my core doctrines so you'll know from were I'm come from .
Because , for me your numbered list is overlapping . I think it will be more black & white in essences
minimizing possible gray areas . It's 5:15 in the am , get back later today I've got to stack some z's .

 

[SpiritRehab]

Hi Ron4Shua, I just read your reply now. Didn't get an eMail notification; so I checked and found you had replied 10 days ago < Sorry for the late reply.

What you said about our Father's name is interesting.
Yah+weh, but my issue with that is, His name is written in the Hebrew as YHWH over 6,000x. So I think Yah is the short form of His name, while YHWH (Yahweh or Yahowah, etc) is His name.

Also, I believe the same, about the english word, "god." I only managed to trace it back to the German false god, named "got" from whom we got the word "god." but I didn't know it went back to Babelon; still a lot of gods do trace back to then. So its not difficult to believe.

I didn't know about 130 hebrew words for god. I only know of 1, with 4 variations. Eloah - God
El - Short form for God
Eli - My God
Elohenu - Our God
Elohim - gods

I had heard the Eskimo have 200 words for snow. At first I thought it was because they came into contract with 200 languages on their migration to North America. Then I later learned it's because there are so many physical variations of snow, depending on the conditions they formed in, that they form different layers of types of snow. That's what causes avalanches. Different types don't grip each other well. So one layer slides right off another. Pretty cool eh?

Also, I'm really looking forward to reading your understanding of true doctrines. I find doctrinal examination to be very helpful; as often I find sub-considerations, i hadn't though of in my own studies.

Take your time and no need to make it short. I enjoy a detailed explanation. Thanks

 

[AlexDTX]

Hi Ron4shua

So what happened is, I noticed a while ago that I didn't know our Father's name. So I asked Him and studied, which lead me to an interest in all the Biblical character's real names; which eventually lead me to question a second time, how we got the name "Christian."

Did some study into that and came to the conclusion that our God given name isn't "Christian" but Israel.

Hi,
I would say we are neither "Christian" nor "Israel" but a new creation. While the name Christian was given to the early church believers in Antioch, they did not call themselves that. They called themselves followers of the Way. Jesus said that like a seed he had to die to come up as something new. Paul explained in 1 Corinthians 15 that the resurrection of the body is something new. He points out that our bodies are like seeds. Seeds to become new seeds, but plants and trees. What we will be in glory is unknown. Jesus gives a glimpse of that glory in Revelations. John said as we are so are we in this world.

But we are not in glory yet. We are walking by faith not by sight. We are consistently called saints in the new testament. Saints is not a title for special believers who earned the title. Rather it is for all who accept the gift of life in Christ by faith not by works lest any man should boast. For all who know Christ through the new birth, I call them saints and brothers.

 

[ron4shua]

Greetings my brother , I was wondering where you were .
You my brother in Messiah , may believe anything you choose or I
should say . Whatever you've been gifted to believe .
" No man can teach his brother " , it's the Spirit's job .
Your hypothesis of The Sacred Name is clouded by interpretation biases , you said you understood & had a grip-on translation bias , no matter .
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http://biblehub.net/search.php?q=YAH
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Over 7,300 times mistranslated , to keep the " YOD " out of the mouth of the infidel , same attitude as Muslims .
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http://www.islamreview.com/articles/whoareinfidels.shtml
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If you have children & / or a wife when you call them by their
" Names " do they respond , as you expect ?
How about your prayer life , when you call Elohim by The Name
do you get a response as you expect ?
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Come Out of Her, My People. Pages 53-57.
Gad is a Syrian or Canaanite deity of good luck or fortune. In Hebrew, it is written GD, but with Massoretic vowel-pointing, it gives us "Gad." Other Scriptural references to a similar deity, also written GD, have a vowel-pointing giving us "Gawd" or "God." Gad is identified with Jupiter, the Sky-deity or the Sun-deity.

The word "God (or god)" is a title, translating the Hebrew Elohim (or elohim), El (or el), and Eloah. However, it is often used as a substitute for the Tetragrammaton (YHVH).

According to Encyclopaedia Britannica, GOD is the common Teutonic word for a personal object of religious worship, applied to all the superhuman beings of the heathen mythologies. The word "god" on the conversion of the Teutonic races to Christianity was adopted as the name of the One Supreme Being. Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics and Webster's Twentieth Century Dictionary, Unabridged agree that the origin is Teutonic paganism.

In Indo-Germanic dictionaries, only one word resembles "god." It is ghodh and is pronounced the same. This word means union, also sexual union or mating. According to Luneburger Wörterbuch, the following are the same word: Gott, got, gode, gade, god and guth (gud).

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http://tyndalearchive.com/scriptures/www.innvista.com/scriptures/compare/heathen3.htm

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I read ," had heard the Eskimo " have over 320 words for snow but

lacked the inclination to document the claim .

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskimo_words_for_snow

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Before anymore discourse from me my brother , I need to savvy

your holdings of , What The Gospel ( good news ) is in our

Master's words . How do you expound to a listener , The

Salvation Story ?

A Private Message maybe the best avenue for that bit

of writ , post it later if it doesn't get us both nailed to a tree .

Your brother in Messiah , ron .

 

[AlexDTX]

Greetings my brother , I was wondering where you were .
You my brother in Messiah , may believe anything you choose or I
should say . Whatever you've been gifted to believe .
" No man can teach his brother " , it's the Spirit's job .
Your hypothesis of The Sacred Name is clouded by interpretation biases , you said you understood & had a grip-on translation bias , no matter .

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If you have children & / or a wife when you call them by their
" Names " do they respond , as you expect ?
How about your prayer life , when you call Elohim by The Name
do you get a response as you expect ?
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The word "God (or god)" is a title, translating the Hebrew Elohim (or elohim), El (or el), and Eloah. However, it is often used as a substitute for the Tetragrammaton (YHVH).

According to Encyclopaedia Britannica, GOD is the common Teutonic word for a personal object of religious worship, applied to all the superhuman beings of the heathen mythologies. The word "god" on the conversion of the Teutonic races to Christianity was adopted as the name of the One Supreme Being. Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics and Webster's Twentieth Century Dictionary, Unabridged agree that the origin is Teutonic paganism.

Before anymore discourse from me my brother , I need to savvy
your holdings of , What The Gospel ( good news ) is in our
Master's words . How do you expound to a listener , The
Salvation Story ?
A Private Message maybe the best avenue for that bit
of writ , post it later if it doesn't get us both nailed to a tree .
Your brother in Messiah , ron .

Ron,
Your response is confusing. I did not make a hypothesis of the sacred name. I responded to your question on whether we should be called Christians or Israel. I admit my response may have been confusing, too, since I pointed out that we are new creatures and went on to address our glorified bodies to come. Jesus is not hindered by misunderstood names given him since he is listening to our hearts and not just our mouths.

As for the sacred name, the Masoretic Jews of the 900 AD did not want the Hebrew pronunciation to be lost so they invented a vowel system. However, it is Jewish tradition not to utter his name, usually calling him "Ha Shem" that is, the Name, so they created a hybrid of the tetragrammaton Yod, Heh, Vav, Heh and with the vowels of the Hebrew word, Adonai, to create Jehovah.

As regarding calling upon my family or the Lord, the wrong name is irrelevant. They know me and will respond simply because they know my voice and can tell who I am addressing. Likewise, Jesus knows me and I know him. He said my sheep know my voice.

As for sharing the gospel it depends on to whom I am speaking and what the Spirit will prompt me to say. My comment on our being new creatures assumes that I am speaking to genuine believers who have had the new birth. If you have not been born again, you are not a Christian. No doubt, this forum will be filled with people who think they are Christians simply because they go to a church or was raised in a family that calls themselves Christians. But these will be known by their fruit.

 

[ron4shua]

Hi,
I would say we are neither "Christian" nor "Israel" but a new creation. While the name Christian was given to the early church believers in Antioch, they did not call themselves that. They called themselves followers of the Way. Jesus said that like a seed he had to die to come up as something new. Paul explained in 1 Corinthians 15 that the resurrection of the body is something new. He points out that our bodies are like seeds. Seeds to become new seeds, but plants and trees. What we will be in glory is unknown. Jesus gives a glimpse of that glory in Revelations. John said as we are so are we in this world.
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But we are not in glory yet. We are walking by faith not by sight. We are consistently called saints in the new testament. Saints is not a title for special believers who earned the title. Rather it is for all who accept the gift of life in Christ by faith not by works lest any man should boast. For all who know Christ through the new birth, I call them saints and brothers.

Greetings my brother in Messiah ;

I basically concur with you , but point out this is not my OP .
Our brother in Messiah , SpiritRehab posted this thread &
the brother hadn't gotten a bit on his requisition .

So , I said , self why not ... of course that got one guy shot .

I'll be the first to openly confess , I'm not the sharpest crayon
in the box . Yet I have rolled-up six decades of moss I'd love to
share . I have no delusions of being a teacher , not my job .
My hope is to get folks such as yourself , to roll up those sleeves
& up to your pits in Scripture , notice I didn't use the word ' bible ' ?
I do take exception to your use of Saul's name degraded
to paul , which in Hebrew means ( small , tiny , insignificant ,
etc,etc ) But would fight for your right to use it . I can't &
wont " judge " , again not my job but to LOVE all with THAT
LOVE !
Saul didn't change his name , he was dead when Luke penned
Acts . And Luke didn't change it either . Acts 13:9 has been
molested twice but certainly not in the first century .
without the insert ( -- who also is Paul -- ) YLT . The verse makes
perfect sense . But believe what you want , your choice !

Our OP host has already " liked " your post , so I'm assuming
he has an unfilled quorum for joining ,
I see it as more garbage in , ( garbage ) <---- levity .
the more truth out .
Your brother in Messiah , the servant , ron .

 

[AlexDTX]

Ron,
When I was a new believer I spent much time in Jewish culture. I was led to Christ by a Messianic Jew. I worked Jews for Jesus for many years in New Orleans. I took a Jewish Studies Minor at Christ for the Nations. To earn that degree I had to go to Israel, which I did in 1991. I worked on a kibbutz for 3 months. This was just after the first Gulf war of Bush Sr. The Israelis were open to discussion on God of any kind since the Patriot missiles shot down all the Scud missiles. I attended a messianic congregation at the YMCA called the King of Kings Church across the street from the King David hotel in Jerusalem. I was raised an atheist, so when the Lord revealed himself to me I thought messianic fellowship was the most biblical type of fellowship I could participate in. While sharing with Jews at Ramat Rachel, the Lord spoke to me and said, Stop it, you are not Jewish. I totally understood what he was telling me.

It is unnecessary to make distinctions between Paul and Saul. Neither is it necessary to call him Shaul. Nor to call Peter Shimon bar Jonah. All that matters is helping people to understand who Jesus is. He can be called many names, but getting people to know him is what matters.

 

[SpiritRehab]

Hi AlexDTX

I agree, all the faithful are Saints, meaning we are set aside by God for God, including the OT faithful. Yet from the Exodus, through both exiles & the return, until Messiah, Yahowah & Jesus called His people Israel.

5 Favourite Examples:

Exodus 4:22 & 23 - And though shalt say unto Pharaoh, "thus saith YHWH, 'Israel is my son, even my first born, and I say unto thee, let my son go, that he may serve me; and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy first born.',"

Here our Father is referring to the Children of Israel, and more importantly, alluding to Jesus & His Assembly, the Bride of Christ, by the collective name Israel.

John 1:47 - Jesus saw Nathanael coming to Him, and saith of him, "Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!"

Here Jesus Himself compliments a believer, by calling him a true Israelite.

Romans 9:6-8 - Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel, 7 neither because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Here Paul is clarifying that in God's eyes, Israel, is not an ethnicity or nationality, but a spiritual family or assembly; by Faith.

Romans 11:25-26 - 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in; 26 and so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written , "There shall come out of Sion, the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob,"

Here Paul explains that Gentile believers are Israel, in stating that the gentile believers must come in for all Israel to be saved. Implying that gentile believers are Israel.

Ephesians 2:11-13 & 19-20 - 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past, Gentiles in the flesh, who are called, Uncircumcision, by that which is called, the Circumcision, in the flesh made by hands, 12 that at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 but now in Christ Jesus, ye who sometimes were far off, are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone.

 

[SpiritRehab]

Your hypothesis of The Sacred Name is clouded by interpretation biases , you said you understood & had a grip-on translation bias , no matter .
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http://biblehub.net/search.php?q=YAH.

Hi Ron4Shua

Actually, I think I misunderstood you, the first time you shared that link. I took a second & third look at it and I think I understand what you're saying?

In the passages, in the link, it seems the name Yah appears before the name YHWH (LORD). So did they remove the name Yah from the Bible? I'm a little confused.

ps. Yes, I think sharing the Gospel Message with each other is a great way to start I will write it up tomorrow evening. Got a busy morning & afternoon tomorrow.

 

[ron4shua]

Greetings dear brother SpiritRehab in Messiah , " The Gospel Message " is the reason for
everything . ; http://biblehub.com/isr/2_corinthians/11.htm
3But I am afraid, lest, as the serpent deceived Ḥawwah by his trickery, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Messiah.

4For, indeed, if he who is coming proclaims another יהושע,a whom we have not proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different Good News which you have not accepted, you put up with it well enough!

Please brother , prove every word . Don't take my word or anyone else's for " truth " , test
every word in your own mind by The Spirit . Listen & " 15Do your utmost to present yourself approved to Elohim, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly handling the Word of Truth."

" 3Beloved ones, making all haste to write to you concerning our common deliverance, I felt the necessity to write to you urging you to earnestly contend for the belief which was once for all delivered to the set-apart ones."
Come back soon , my brother .

 

[ron4shua]

It is unnecessary to make distinctions between Paul and Saul. Neither is it necessary to call him Shaul called many names, but getting people to know him is what matters.

Greetings my brother , you did read my post ? Your choice could be to call Peter , satan if you have a
mind to '
it's okay with me . Except for a verse or two ;
23“But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father also does seek such to worship Him.

24“Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship in spirit and truth.”

For those folks that , could careless if they are " true worshipers " , words don't matter !

Saul ;
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/7586.htm

paul ;
http://biblehub.net/searchstrongs.php?q=Paul

Dogma is a tarnish , only obedience can renew to the brilliance of our Master's TRUTH .

Your brother , ron .

 

[ron4shua]

Greetings my brother , I just reread one of your posts & this caught my eye ;

As for sharing the gospel it depends on to whom I am speaking and what the Spirit will prompt me to say. My comment on our being new creatures assumes that I am speaking to genuine believers who have had the new birth. If you have not been born again, you are not a Christian. No doubt, this forum will be filled with people who think they are Christians simply because they go to a church or was raised in a family that calls themselves Christians. But these will be known by their fruit.

Wow ..... , would you outline just what it takes to be a " genuine believer "
& what that encompasses , please ?

35“Rather, love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting none in return. And your reward shall be great, and you shall be sons of the Most High. Because He is kind to the thankless and wicked ones.a

36“Therefore be compassionate, as your Father also is compassionate.

37“And do not judge, and you shall not be judged at all. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned at all. Forgive, and you shall be forgiven.

38“Give, and it shall be given to you. A good measure, pressed down and shaken together and running over shall be put into your lap. For with the same measure with which you measure, it shall be measured back to you.”

http://biblehub.net/search.php?q=judge+not

22“And he said to him, ‘Out of your own mouth I shall judge you, you wicked servant. .... "

Blessings my brother .

 

[BabylonWeary]

Psalm 8

 

[ron4shua]

http://biblehub.com/isr/psalms/8.htm


1O יהוה, our Master, how excellent is Your Name in all the earth, You who set Your splendour above the heavens!

2Out of the mouth of babes and infants You have founded strength, Because of Your adversaries, To put an end to enemy and avenger.

3For I see Your heavens, the work of Your fingers, The moon and the stars, which You have established.

4What is man that You remember him? And the son of man that You visit him?

5Yet You have made him a little less than Elohim, And have crowned him with esteem and splendour.

6You made him rule over the works of Your hands; You have put all under his feet,

7All sheep and oxen, And also the beasts of the field,

8The birds of the heavens, And the fish of the sea, Passing through the paths of the seas.

9O יהוה, our Master, How excellent is Your Name in all the earth!

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5And יהוה saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6And יהוה was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

7And יהוה said, “I am going to wipe off man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping creature and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.”

http://biblehub.com/isr/2_corinthians/5.htm

12For we do not again commend ourselves to you, but give you an occasion to boast on our behalf, in order that you have an answer for those who take pride in appearance and not in heart.

13For whether we are beside ourselves, it was for Elohim, or whether we are of sound mind, it is for you.

14For the love of Messiah compels us, having judged this: that if One died for all, then all died;

15and He died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves,a but for Him who died for them, and was raised.

16So from now onwards we know no one according to the flesh. And if we have known Messiah according to the flesh, yet now we no longer know Him thus.

17Therefore, if anyone is in Messiah, he is a renewed creature – the old matters have passed away, see, all matters have become renewed!a

18And all matters are from Elohim, who has restored us to favour with Himself through יהושע Messiah, and has given us the service of restoration to favour,

19that is, that Elohim was in Messiah restoring the world to favour unto Himself, not reckoning their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of restoration to favour.

20Therefore we are envoys on behalf of Messiah, as though Elohim were pleading through us. We beg, on behalf of Messiah: Be restored to favour with Elohim.

21For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of Elohim. ( Acts 2:38 )

 

[ron4shua]

http://www.menfak.no/bibelprog/vines?word=%AFt0002324
"to reconcile completely" (apo, from, and No. 1), a stronger form of No. 1, "to change from one condition to another," so as to remove all enmity and leave no impediment to unity and peace, is used in Eph. 2:16, of the "reconciliation" of believing Jew and Gentile "in one body unto God through the Cross;" in Col. 1:21 not the union of Jew and Gentile is in view, but the change wrought in the individual believer from alienation and enmity, on account of evil works, to "reconciliation" with God; in Col 1:20 the word is used of the Divine purpose to "reconcile" through Christ "all things unto Himself ... whether things upon the earth, or things in the heavens," the basis of the change being the peace effected "through the blood of His Cross." It is the Divine purpose, on the ground of the work of Christ accomplished on the Cross, to bring the whole universe, except rebellious angels and unbelieving man, into full accord with the mind of God, Eph. 1:10. Things "under the earth," Phil. 2:10, are subdued, not "reconciled."

 

[AlexDTX]

Greetings my brother , I just reread one of your posts & this caught my eye ;

Wow ..... , would you outline just what it takes to be a " genuine believer "
& what that encompasses , please ?

Blessings my brother .

Although I erased your Bible quotes for the sake of space, they are all excellent verses. Jesus said you shall know them by their fruit, in the context of discerning real sheep from wolves in sheep's clothing. We tend to think of behaviour as the fruit that he was talking about, especially based upon Galatians' list of the fruit of the Spirit. But I think that is inadequate. Many people of other religions, Hinduism in particular, are kind and gentle people. I think John's warning in his epistle is more appropriate.

1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.2 Hereby know you the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof you have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.​

I once talked with a man who was making a big deal about calling on Jesus solely by the name Y'shua ben Yahweh. When I asked him if he believed that Jesus was God in the flesh, he refused to answer. After pressing him further he walked away, "not willing to dignify my query with a response".

It doesn't take long to listen to someone before you know their relationship (or lack of) with God.

BTW. The distinction needs to be made between discernment and judgement. We are not to judge in the sense of condemnation since everyone is already condemned outside of Christ. But we are to discern, which is a form of judgement and critical thinking. Otherwise, how are we to know to whom we share the gospel? Why is discernment a spiritual gift listed in 1 Corinthians 12?

 

[AlexDTX]

Greetings my brother , all this music I thought was being posted on sister morning dove's music OP ,
I'll move it tomorrow . Sorry , I'll clean it up .
YAH is THE NAME , the weh or anything connected to THE NAME is " Almighty or/& Creator or/&
only Deity Or etc etc . I use with peace of mind " YAHweh " . Elohim is a main word for the Greek
pagan word " god " which in fact is a pagan deity from about the time of the Genesis Tower .
Greek has one word for deity . Hebrew has if I recollect correctly about 130 . Eskimo's have over
300 words for snow .
To address your OP , I'm going to list my core doctrines so you'll know from were I'm come from .
Because , for me your numbered list is overlapping . I think it will be more black & white in essences
minimizing possible gray areas . It's 5:15 in the am , get back later today I've got to stack some z's .

I disagree with your definitions. Yahweh is Hebrew meaning I exist and has its root in hayah, which means to exist. In other words, it loosely translates as I AM. Elohim is Hebrew, not Greek and is the plural of Eloah, whose root El means twisted, or oak tree. The extension of the meaning is the strength, or the power.