Our Jewish Christian friends were living as Gentiles in Antioch.

[Frogster]

I kind of sort of get what you are saying, but it just makes more sense to me that they were returning to paganism.

why? it says in 4:21, you who want to be under law?

5:3 says, if circumcised keep the law, all showing the direction, and it was not paganism, was it?

The Judaizers. those who were influencing the church were compelling paganism, or circumcision? cough..cough...

6:12 It is those who want to make a good showing in the flesh who would force you to be circumcised, and only in order that they may not be persecuted for the cross of Christ.

That is that, the all knowing frog is right!

Please post text.

 

[Frogster]

It makes perfect sense, Froggie just chooses to ignore the part where it says 'of the world' in Galatians 4:3. I've tried to explain to him that Judaism is not 'of the world' to no avail.

it just means crude notions, elementals. No big deal really..

You did not refute how gal 5:1 says again, and it was about circumcision. Why would Paul say AGAIN, when they were not circumcised ?

Now, just please apply the logic to 4:9, and the whole of the narrative, and it will all of the sudden click!

You did not refute how I showed the direction of the church in 4:21, and 5:3. didja?????

 

[Lulav]

it just means crude notions, elementals. No big deal really..

You did not refute how gal 5:1 says again, and it was about circumcision. Why would Paul say AGAIN, when they were not circumcised ?

Now, just please apply the logic to 4:9, and the whole of the narrative, and it will all of the sudden click!

You did not refute how I showed the direction of the church in 4:21, and 5:3. didja?????

And you are trying to promote that the Holy laws of G-d which he gave us out of love are 'crude notions, elemental????

I'm sorry for you, I can't buy what you're selling. I would never think G-ds anything would be considered that.

 

[Frogster]

And you are trying to promote that the Holy laws of G-d which he gave us out of love are 'crude notions, elemental????

I'm sorry for you, I can't buy what you're selling. I would never think G-ds anything would be considered that.

rules are elemental, that is the text, you will have to take it to the Lord, it's His word, thanks!

Just like Heb 5:12, the context shows it was for early development, like in Gal 4, for children, but sadly the had arrested development in Hebrews as they sought to revert to the old defunct cov..

 

[Lulav]

Teach me, L-RD, the way of your decrees, that I may follow it to the end.

I have inclined my heart to perform Your statutes Forever, even to the end.

I have decided to obey your laws. They offer a reward that never ends.

The precepts of the L-RD are right, giving joy to the heart.
The commands of the L-RD are radiant, giving light to the eyes.

Whoever heeds discipline shows the way to life, but whoever ignores correction leads others astray.

The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

 

[Frogster]

Teach me, L-RD, the way of your decrees, that I may follow it to the end.

I have inclined my heart to perform Your statutes Forever, even to the end.

I have decided to obey your laws. They offer a reward that never ends.

The precepts of the L-RD are right, giving joy to the heart.
The commands of the L-RD are radiant, giving light to the eyes.

Whoever heeds discipline shows the way to life, but whoever ignores correction leads others astray.

The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

The other day i was thinking of David, and the law, it all vanished when he saw a pretty girl, then it was all forgotten about, his "love of the law".

 

[Frogster]

Teach me, L-RD, the way of your decrees, that I may follow it to the end.

I have inclined my heart to perform Your statutes Forever, even to the end.

I have decided to obey your laws. They offer a reward that never ends.

The precepts of the L-RD are right, giving joy to the heart.
The commands of the L-RD are radiant, giving light to the eyes.

Whoever heeds discipline shows the way to life, but whoever ignores correction leads others astray.

The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

a person can return again, to a stoicheion, even though it is a different stoicheion's religion the second time around.

 

[Open Heart]

Please post text.

I think Lulav has done a great job. You just haven't responded.

 

[Frogster]

I think Lulav has done a great job. You just haven't responded.

where is the great job?

It says again in 5:1 also,yet that is being ignored. Why did he say again, even though they were never circumcised?

In gal 4:3 Paul called Judaism stoicheion, and slavery, then in 5:1 he uses the slavery word, while he says AGAIN in 5:1, because they were returning to another bondage, again, but this time it was Judaism a different stoicheion. They left one bondage, got saved, only to return to another bondage.

I posted that the Judaizers were trying to get them circumcise in 6:12, not paganism.

I showed the way they were headed, their direction in 4:21, "you who want law", and in 5:3, if circumcised, they had to keep the law, not paganism, all showing that the direction was toward Judaism, but that all gets ignored.

Now, who is really doing a great job here? I am!

 

[Open Heart]

I posted that the Judaizers were trying to get them circumcise in 6:12, not paganism.

GENTILES wanting to circumcise goes against Acts 15. He is not addressing Jews. Remember that Antioch is a mostly Gentile church.

 

[Lulav]

a person can return again, to a stoicheion, even though it is a different stoicheion's religion the second time around.

Please stop using the transliterated word, you really don't understand it at all, not to mention that your reasoning shown by your example is totally wrong.

You can't return to something that you never were at in the first place.

Here is the accepted definition:To go or come back, as to an earlier condition or place

By your way of understanding when G-d says:

• Return to me, and I will return to you," says the L-RD Almighty
• Therefore tell the people: This is what the L-RD Almighty says: 'Return to me,' declares the LORD Almighty, 'and I will return to you,' says the L-RD Almighty.
• Return to Me, for I have redeemed you
• "Even now," declares the L-RD, "return to me with all your
  heart,

These quotes are from four different prophets, now do you surmiss that when G-d says to return to me, He means to any other god? I don't think so.

Stop trying to make G-d out to be a liar and to make out his Holy commandments as common as idolatrous practices.

 

[Frogster]

GENTILES wanting to circumcise goes against Acts 15. He is not addressing Jews. Remember that Antioch is a mostly Gentile church.

But the Antioch event, recorded in gal 2, was not about the churches of Galatia, Paul was just telling them what happened in Antioch. I am talking about Galatia.

 

[Frogster]

Please stop using the transliterated word, you really don't understand it at all, not to mention that your reasoning shown by your example is totally wrong.

You can't return to something that you never were at in the first place.

Here is the accepted definition:To go or come back, as to an earlier condition or place

By your way of understanding when G-d says:

• Return to me, and I will return to you," says the L-RD Almighty
• Therefore tell the people: This is what the L-RD Almighty says: 'Return to me,' declares the LORD Almighty, 'and I will return to you,' says the L-RD Almighty.
• Return to Me, for I have redeemed you
• "Even now," declares the L-RD, "return to me with all your
  heart,

These quotes are from four different prophets, now do you surmiss that when G-d says to return to me, He means to any other god? I don't think so.

Stop trying to make G-d out to be a liar and to make out his Holy commandments as common as idolatrous practices.

please, one can be saved out of one bondage, one stoicheion, and then return again to another one, a different one but still be returning again to another bondage. How am I wrong? You're acting like people can't redo a certain action. Why?

 

[Open Heart]

But the Antioch event, recorded in gal 2, was not about the churches of Galatia, Paul was just telling them what happened in Antioch. I am talking about Galatia.

What is the difference? Galatia is also a gentile church. Only Jerusalem was predominantly Jews.

 

[Frogster]

What is the difference? Galatia is also a gentile church. Only Jerusalem was predominantly Jews.

wha? this is drifting way too far now....

please, confront me on my posted text, thanks! frog!

 

[Open Heart]

wha? this is drifting way too far now....

please, confront me on my posted text, thanks! frog!

I did. I said your verse regarding circumcision was directed to gentiles. Only if it were written to Jerusalem would it mean something earth shattering.

 

[Frogster]

I did. I said your verse regarding circumcision was directed to gentiles. Only if it were written to Jerusalem would it mean something earth shattering.

no, I posted that verse to show the direction they were headed in, you are not thoroughly reading my work.

You are arguing an old argument we had, I am talking direction>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that is the issue, they were returning AGAIN,...TO...to... we are talking direction here, thanks!

 

[Open Heart]

no, I posted that verse to show the direction they were headed in, you are not thoroughly reading my work.

You are arguing an old argument we had, I am talking direction>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that is the issue, they were returning AGAIN,...TO...to... we are talking direction here, thanks!

direction as in north or south? I'm not sure what you mean.

 

[Frogster]

direction as in north or south? I'm not sure what you mean.

the direction was Judaism....not paganism, as some teach about verse 4:9. I can't explain the whole thread again, please pay attention, thank you, frog.

 

[Lulav]

please, one can be saved out of one bondage, one stoicheion, and then return again to another one, a different one but still be returning again to another bondage. How am I wrong? You're acting like people can't redo a certain action. Why?

You are incorrigible,but I'm sure you don't even know that. Did you read and even try to comprehend what I wrote?