Our Jewish Christian friends were living as Gentiles in Antioch.

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But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces ? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again?

The difference here is religion over relationship. Salvation is an entirely different relationship with God than a formal by the books religion. grace does what the law could not do as in restore the relationship to God Adam had before sin. following rules is religion and not relationship.

 

[Lulav]

it's very simple, Paul said he (we)was under stoicheion in judaism.

Gal 4:3 In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principles of the world.

The Galatians were too, in their religion. Paul is showing that they were returning again, to stoicheion again, but this time it was Judaism, that is what the book is warding off, the Judaizers were trying to get them circumcised 6:12, not to go back to paganism, that would not at all fit in the story.

4:9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more?

You are missing the word that puts what you have highlighted in context. World. Judaism is not the world, in fact there are Jews and Gentiles, Gentiles would be considered the 'world', and back then they would have all been heathens.

8 Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods. 9 But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces ? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11 I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.


Before the Galatian gentiles knew the one true G-d they were slaves to idols (gods). Now they know the one True G-d but are turning back to doing the same forms of idol worship they did in the past.

 

[Open Heart]

a different bondage, again.

This makes no sense.

 

[Frogster]

You are missing the word that puts what you have highlighted in context. World. Judaism is not the world, in fact there are Jews and Gentiles, Gentiles would be considered the 'world', and back then they would have all been heathens.

8 Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods. 9 But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces ? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11 I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.


Before the Galatian gentiles knew the one true G-d they were slaves to idols (gods). Now they know the one True G-d but are turning back to doing the same forms of idol worship they did in the past.

Search stoicheion, it means elementary, abc's like Heb 5:12, Paul used the child and children word in gal 4:1, and 4;3. Children are under elementals, crude notions, etcit says govenors in gal 4. Children are under govenors! lol...the all knowing frog lives on!

Stoicheion also has other meanings but in Gal 4, the definition is established by the wordage, and context.

 

[Frogster]

This makes no sense.

Please, refute the text, posts like this don't prove anything.

 

[Frogster]

The difference here is religion over relationship. Salvation is an entirely different relationship with God than a formal by the books religion. grace does what the law could not do as in restore the relationship to God Adam had before sin. following rules is religion and not relationship.

Good to see ya!

 

[Lulav]

Search stoicheion, it means elementary, abc's like Heb 5:12, Paul used the child and children word in gal 4:1, and 4;3. Children are under elementals, crude notions, etcit says govenors in gal 4. Children are under govenors! lol...the all knowing frog lives on!

Stoicheion also has other meanings but in Gal 4, the definition is established by the wordage, and context.

What is this a new word you've learned? I know what it means and I would never call G-ds Holy Laws, στοιχεῖον, and I hesitate to say that Paul wouldn't either. Why do you think you've proven me wrong when you haven't even answered my questions??

That is like telling your teacher you aced the test when you didn't even take it.

Here it is again, you apparently missed what I highlighted for you.


Gal 4:3 In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principles of the world.

You are missing the word that puts what you have highlighted in context. World. Judaism is not the world, in fact there are Jews and Gentiles, Gentiles would be considered the 'world', and back then they would have all been heathens.


Before the Galatian gentiles knew the one true G-d they were slaves to idols (gods). Now they know the one True G-d but are turning back to doing the same forms of idol worship they did in the past before knowing G-d.


I am strangely feeling just like Paul here.

11 I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.

 

[Lulav]

Please, refute the text, posts like this don't prove anything.

How is she supposed to refute something that is illogical?

 

[Frogster]

What is this a new word you've learned? I know what it means and I would never call G-ds Holy Laws, στοιχεῖον, and I hesitate to say that Paul wouldn't either. Why do you think you've proven me wrong when you haven't even answered my questions??

That is like telling your teacher you aced the test when you didn't even take it.

Here it is again, you apparently missed what I highlighted for you.


Gal 4:3 In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principles of the world.

You are missing the word that puts what you have highlighted in context. World. Judaism is not the world, in fact there are Jews and Gentiles, Gentiles would be considered the 'world', and back then they would have all been heathens.


Before the Galatian gentiles knew the one true G-d they were slaves to idols (gods). Now they know the one True G-d but are turning back to doing the same forms of idol worship they did in the past before knowing G-d.


I am strangely feeling just like Paul here.

11 I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.

well gosh, I posted the greek meaning, even the Aramaic version,says world. lets not strain, and it was about Judaism in 4:3.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
In this way also when we were children, we were enslaved under the principles of the world.

Point is, it was elemental, basic abc's. You are trying to divert from the point.

 

[Open Heart]

Please, refute the text, posts like this don't prove anything.

I'm telling you that you said something that made no sense. I don't need to prove it. It's supposed to be a helpful comment so that you can reword what you are saying a different way and better communicate your idea. Either that, or you might see that your idea is intrinsically flawed.

 

[Frogster]

I'm telling you that you said something that made no sense. I don't need to prove it. It's supposed to be a helpful comment so that you can reword what you are saying a different way and better communicate your idea. Either that, or you might see that your idea is intrinsically flawed.

show me the textual flaw.

 

[Lulav]

The difference here is religion over relationship. Salvation is an entirely different relationship with God than a formal by the books religion. grace does what the law could not do as in restore the relationship to God Adam had before sin. following rules is religion and not relationship.

Ah, yes, the typical church feel good sermon.

"Salvation is an entirely different relationship with God than a formal by the books religion."

How is Salvation a relationship?
Are you calling G-ds Holy instructions for living a 'by the books religion'? Surely not!

I don't know if you are married or not but you speak of relationship so you must have one with someone. Now if you care about this person, love them, do you do things that make them happy or do things that don't make them happy?

If you are married and your wife say, hates country music, do you turn on your car radio when you are with her and dial to the closest country music station?

Why or why not?

 

[Lulav]

well gosh, I posted the greek meaning, even the Aramaic version,says world. lets not strain, and it was about Judaism in 4:3.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
In this way also when we were children, we were enslaved under the principles of the world.

Point is, it was elemental, basic abc's. You are trying to divert from the point.

I'm sorry Frogster, I can't continue this conversation, it makes me feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone.

 

[Open Heart]

a different bondage, again.

if it's something different happening, then it can't be something old happening again. it can't be both. therefore, it doesn't make sense.

 

[Frogster]

if it's something different happening, then it can't be something old happening again. it can't be both. therefore, it doesn't make sense.

 

[Frogster]

if it's something different happening, then it can't be something old happening again. it can't be both. therefore, it doesn't make sense.

I showed how the again word was used in Gal 5;1. Why did Paul say again, when they were never circumcised?

Ok, you know a girl, who lets say was in a religion, or group or whatever name you want to give it. Then she gets saved out of it. Then she gets into another type of religion, or group, or movment, philosophy etc.

Couldn't you then say of her?...... "there she goes again, into another wrong movement"?

Ok, you should now between Gal 5:1, and the again word, and the frog's articulate explanation, be able to understand the "again" word in Gal 4:9. They were returning again to another stoicheion, this time it was Judaism, Paul called Judaism a stoicheion in Gal 4:3.

Thanks, hope you were blessed, frog.

 

[Frogster]

I'm sorry Frogster, I can't continue this conversation, it makes me feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone.

naaaaaa...the frog made it clear, but feel free to disconnect from the issue, as you please.

 

[Open Heart]

Thanks, hope you were blessed, frog.

I kind of sort of get what you are saying, but it just makes more sense to me that they were returning to paganism.

 

[Lulav]

I kind of sort of get what you are saying, but it just makes more sense to me that they were returning to paganism.

It makes perfect sense, Froggie just chooses to ignore the part where it says 'of the world' in Galatians 4:3. I've tried to explain to him that Judaism is not 'of the world' to no avail.

 

[Lulav]

naaaaaa...the frog made it clear, but feel free to disconnect from the issue, as you please.

Clear as mud, have you ever read any of your posts?