"Embedded Age" Requires Fake Fossils

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, our planet is probably that old, but human life is rather young, I believe.

The evidence does not support that belief.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If the person is honest in his/her belief, the Lord will correct his error either before his return or afterwards.

Sadly many don't.

 

[bhsmte]

Yes, our planet is probably that old, but human life is rather young, I believe.

Based on what evidence?

 

[Nic Samojluk]

How do you reach this conclusion?

I do not have any scientific evidence to provide in support of this hypothesis.

 

[AV1611VET]

And now its most common usage may be in working with satellites so that your GPS can tell you where you are.

I don't need GPS to tell me where I are.

I know where I are.

And I don't need GPS to tell me where most are going.

The Bible does that.

 

[bhsmte]

I do not have any scientific evidence to provide in support of this hypothesis.

Ok, does your hypothesis require you to ignore evidence that goes against it?

 

[Nic Samojluk]

Yes, anatomically modern humans are probably no more than about 300,000 years old.

I will not dispute your estimate, but I would be less generous.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

The evidence does not support that belief.

Which evidence?

 

[Gene2memE]

Its not my estimate, its the estimate of paleoanthropologists. People who study this, for a living.

We have human entire genomes that are 45,000 years old, plus or minus about 1900 years.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

Sadly many don't.

Yes!

 

[Nic Samojluk]

Its not my estimate, its the estimate of paleoanthropologists.

Do all experts agree on said estimate?

 

[Gene2memE]

Do they need to? Is it sufficient for 99% to agree? For 95%? 50%? Does there need to be complete concordance on all aspects of human evolution? Or it is sufficient that the basics are agreed on and the experts fight over the details.

Paleoanthropologists have examined a range of human ancestor partial and full skeletons and human remains and come to the conclusion that the upper limit on the emergence of anatomically modern humans is about 600,000 years and the lower limit is somewhere around 95,000 years. The general estimates are somewhere from just under 200,000 to a little below 400,000.

This sort of anthropology is never going to be exact, because that's not how it works. Human evolution presents us with a complicated and incomplete picture. Fossilisation is rare, evolution is slow and borders between species are indistinct.

All the evidence we have though points to human evolution being nothing out of the ordinary to any other species.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

The general estimates are somewhere from just under 200,000 to a little below 400,000.

My view is that what bones can tell us must be compared with human artifacts and recorded history. How far back the evidence of human activity go?

 

[Nic Samojluk]

Based on what evidence?

The record of human activity.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

Ok, does your hypothesis require you to ignore evidence that goes against it?

Which evidence?

 

[Nic Samojluk]

You not being able to grasp it, doesn't make the evidence go away.

The evidence remains, but the interpretation of said evidence does not.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

Can you expand on why the big bang theory can not work with physics?

Stephen Hawking
The Beginning of Time

“The beginning of real time, would have been a singularity, at which the laws of physics would have broken down.”

http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-beginning-of-time.html

 

[Gene2memE]

Earliest known tool use is about 3.3 million years ago, by our homonid ancestors. More advanced tools, such as worked bone, date to about 1.5 million years ago. The earliest known metal working dates back about 10,700-11,000 years ago and the earliest known metal tools are about 9500 years old.

I stress that this is "earliest known" usage. We may find something tomorrow that pushes back the dates of any of these. This month, the estimate for earliest stone tool use was pushed back about 7-600,000 years, thanks to some new discoveries.

The oldest human artifacts we know of are cave paintings, that date back about 37,000 years, possibly to 40,000. There is also the various 'Venus' figurines, which date to about 30-35,000 years old.

Edit: I totally forgot about the bone flutes, which could be as old as 42,000 years. D'uh.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Which evidence?

You name it. Specifically scientific evidence since we are discussing science here.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I will not dispute your estimate, but I would be less generous.

I know, 200,000 years is more reasonable.