Atheists: Why don't you steal, rape, pillage, etc?

[Belk]

Ad Hominem is a sign of an inferior mind.

The irony is too delicious for words.

 

[bhsmte]

My point is Evolution. Animals kill other animals for territory, rape their females. The strong crush the weak, which helps the species improve.

The weird thing about Atheists is they always use religious arguments ("don't hurt the weak", "I'm a good person", etc.) instead of logical arguments like evolution, euthanizing the weak/burdens on society, etc.

Another thing is they say they are "good" people often, and isn't good a construct of religion? If you are Atheist then there is no "good" or "evil". i.e. Atheists saying Hitler is an "evil monster" make no sense. Or do you atheists not believe in Evolution? Are you against euthanizing the elderly or handicapped?

What logical arguments can you have for not stealing a car if you know you can get away with it? Or robbing a bank? Or kidnapping the women you want who rejects you?

I have yet to get around to any of these behaviors yet today, but the day is young and I will keep you updated.

 

[Davian]

You mean the Golden Rule from religion?

Not your religion, to be sure, but no, the Silver Rule - "Do not do unto others what you would not have them do unto you"

But again you're not an atheist

I didn't say that. I do not self-identify myself as an atheist, as in I do not self-identify myself as one that does not collect stamps.

so the question isn't relevant to you as you may have a shred of belief in an after life or possible punishment in the other world which could be molding your beliefs.

I do not have a shred of belief in an after life or possible punishment in the other world.

I understand humans are creatures of emotion, I am pointing out that it is illogical. So far no one here can logically refute doing things in self-interest that you can get away with, because there is NO LOGICAL ARGUMENT they can make. Instead they all make emotional arguments (I don't rape your wife because not doing it magically protects mine from not being raped by some sort of magical invisible societal pact that apparently every criminal never saw and which doesn't actually protect anyone).

It is called social contract theory, for those new to philosophy.

No, I'm a Christian believer in Evolution. As such I am profoundly shocked at how many socialist Atheists there are, because it goes against Evolution. They are basically Evolution deniers. If you are atheist and believe in evolution, the logical belief system is Social Darwinism. They believe this with animals and don't seem to have a problem with euthanizing animals that overpopulate and promoting good DNA in animals,

This is a fallacy of appeal to nature, since the theory of natural selection is merely intended as a description of a biological phenomenon and should not be taken to imply that this phenomenon is good or that it ought to be used as a moral guide in human society.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature

but for some reason they flip-flop and embrace Judeo-Christian values that are opposed to Social Darwinism in human situations.

You appear to be under the mistaken impression that your religion invented the social values we find in human society.

They are denying evolution even though evolution is the basis of their belief system... it would be confusing were it not for my understanding that they are operating on emotion and not logic.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

I have yet to get around to any of these behaviors yet today, but the day is young and I will keep you updated.

I'm on my way to go rape people actually...



In a Mortal Kombat tournament today. I hope I don't get sent to losers again.

 

[keith99]

OH! I get it, you're the weak in Evolution. See I was talking from the "strong" perspective, as in... I kill you, take your wife, and now I have two wives. See?

No you try to kill me and take my wife. If you get "lucky" you succeed. Lucky in quotes because little wifey is patient and has some history. The question becomes does she Bobbit and skin you alive or just slit your throat while you sleep.

A life of theft and murder tends to be a short life and one spent looking over your shoulder. A life of drunkenness is a life of hangovers.

A productive life can be long and enjoyable, including drink even past the levels that would be called 'in moderation'. I find that a far better life.

When one seeks to thrive by being the destroyer they never know just what deadly enemy they may be creating.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

OH! I get it, you're the weak in Evolution. See I was talking from the "strong" perspective, as in... I kill you, take your wife, and now I have two wives. See?

Continuing my trend of piggybacking.

I'm not married. But if I were then here's something to think about:

What I'd do to you should you attempt to kill me. (I'm a sword collector... and I have an imagination)
What My family will do to you should you attempt to kil me.
What my Friends would do you should you attempt to kill me.
And lastly what my undoubtedly crazy wife would do to you should you attempt to kill me.

Not particularly in that order but definitely consecutively.

Do you think animals, especially social animals, like us just all ride solo and have no attachment to one another? Try attacking a mother bear's cubs then.

 

[keith99]

Continuing my trend of piggybacking.

I'm not married. But if I were then here's something to think about:

What I'd do to you should you attempt to kill me. (I'm a sword collector... and I have an imagination)
What My family will do to you should you attempt to kil me.
What my Friends would do you should you attempt to kill me.
And lastly what my undoubtedly crazy wife would do to you should you attempt to kill me.

Not particularly in that order but definitely consecutively.

Do you think animals, especially social animals, like us just all ride solo and have no attachment to one another? Try attacking a mother bear's cubs then.

Bolding mine.

The one thing I fear in the 'wild' in the lower 48 or the States is seeing a cub and not mommy.

Also thinking about animals. If you had tried to kill me 4 or 5 years ago the puppies would have tried to protect me. As I would try to protect them. They were my friends. The Beta dog could tear your arm off and would if you threatened me. The alpha was smart enough he just might have hunted you down later if he could not get you then.

 

[dysert]

(blind post)

Isn't one of the concepts behind evolution is that it's the entire *species* that's "programmed" to advance? In other words, for the species to advance, its good is more important than the good of any individual in the species. This would account for why atheists don't rape & pillage. They somehow realize that it's better for the species as a whole to not rape & pillage.

 

[HitchSlap]

(blind post)

Isn't one of the concepts behind evolution is that it's the entire *species* that's "programmed" to advance? In other words, for the species to advance, its good is more important than the good of any individual in the species. This would account for why atheists don't rape & pillage. They somehow realize that it's better for the species as a whole to not rape & pillage.

It's also why theists don't rape and pillage. They also somehow realize that it's better for the species (society) as a whole to not rape and pillage.

 

[keith99]

(blind post)

Isn't one of the concepts behind evolution is that it's the entire *species* that's "programmed" to advance? In other words, for the species to advance, its good is more important than the good of any individual in the species. This would account for why atheists don't rape & pillage. They somehow realize that it's better for the species as a whole to not rape & pillage.

No,

So many things wrong in such a short post.

 

[Cute Tink]

Blind post.

The weird thing about Atheists is they always use religious arguments ("don't hurt the weak", "I'm a good person", etc.)

I don't see how those are religious arguments. Emotional might be a better choice of word.

Another thing is they say they are "good" people often, and isn't good a construct of religion?

No.

If you are Atheist then there is no "good" or "evil". i.e. Atheists saying Hitler is an "evil monster" make no sense.

Incorrect.

Or do you atheists not believe in Evolution?

I Accept evolution.

Are you against euthanizing the elderly or handicapped?

Yes.

What logical arguments can you have for not stealing a car if you know you can get away with it? Or robbing a bank? Or kidnapping the women you want who rejects you?

Because I feel that is wrong.

 

[Cute Tink]

Hi,
That was never the question. The question is can you say that there is no possibility that a god exists out there, that is responsible for all of this?
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

That is not what defines an atheist. Some atheists do feel this way, but you don't have to create a positive assertion about the non-existence of gods to be an atheist. All you need is to not belief in the existence of gods.

 

[dysert]

No,

So many things wrong in such a short post.

I try to keep them short to reduce the number of wrong things ;-)

 

[keith99]

I try to keep them short to reduce the number of wrong things ;-)

Its not working.

Species are not programmed to advance. Then you go on to compound that basic misunderstanding.

 

[katerinah1947]

Then you concede that there are atheists? Good.

And yes, one can maximally say, there is no possibility that a god/s exist.

Hi,
You have avoided answering the question of, "Can you say;, can you say there is no possibility that a god exists that is responsible for all of this?" It is can, you, say that. It is not, can someone else say that, nor can, one, say that, can you personally say, that there is no possibility that a god exists out there, that is responsible for all of this?
I am one, and I cannot say that. I know of others who can be called one, and they also cannot say that. I have actually met one person who has been able to say that, when he knew of the study, but has since budged. No one who has not been told of the research, but was asked the question has been able to say, there is no possibility that a god exists out there, Who is responsible for all of this.
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

 

[bhsmte]

Hi,
You have avoided answering the question of, "Can you say;, can you say there is no possibility that a god exists that is responsible for all of this?" It is can, you, say that. It is not, can someone else say that, nor can, one, say that, can you personally say, that there is no possibility that a god exists out there, that is responsible for all of this?
I am one, and I cannot say that. I know of others who can be called one, and they also cannot say that. I have actually met on person who has been able to say that.
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

For myself, I can not completely rule out the possibility of a God existing and the probability of which one would differ. In regards to the Christian God, I find the likelihood extremely low. In regards to a universal God, I give that a better chance, but still unlikely.

Now, as a Christian, can you say there is no possibility that God doesn't exist?

 

[HitchSlap]

Hi,
You have avoided answering the question of, "Can you say;, can you say there is no possibility that a god exists that is responsible for all of this?" It is can, you, say that. It is not, can someone else say that, nor can, one, say that, can you personally say, that there is no possibility that a god exists out there, that is responsible for all of this?
I am one, and I cannot say that. I know of others who can be called one, and they also cannot say that. I have actually met on person who has been able to say that.
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

I'm not quite understanding your question.
One cannot say with absolute certainty whether a god does, or does not exist. What one can do, however, is is make probability statements based on empirical data as compared to claims of theists. So while one cannot say absolutely, one can say maximally, the probability of god/s existing are zero.
BTW, it is up to the theist to support their claim, otherwise no sane person should accept any claim at face value. As Hitchens said, "that with can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence."

 

[Belk]

Hi,
You have avoided answering the question of, "Can you say;, can you say there is no possibility that a god exists that is responsible for all of this?" It is can, you, say that. It is not, can someone else say that, nor can, one, say that, can you personally say, that there is no possibility that a god exists out there, that is responsible for all of this?
I am one, and I cannot say that. I know of others who can be called one, and they also cannot say that. I have actually met one person who has been able to say that, when he knew of the study, but has since budged. No one who has not been told of the research, but was asked the question has been able to say, there is no possibility that a god exists out there, Who is responsible for all of this.
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

Cool story. I'm still an atheist.

 

[keith99]

For myself, I can not completely rule out the possibility of a God existing and the probability of which one would differ. In regards to the Christian God, I find the likelihood extremely low. In regards to a universal God, I give that a better chance, but still unlikely.

Now, as a Christian, can you say there is no possibility that God doesn't exist?

Which Christian God?

There is a world of difference between the vengeful d'Jinn of many here and the God of Bonhoeffer or Lewis. I find the later much more likely and acceptable. Not that I consider the chance of any God high, but some are not effectively zero.

 

[dysert]

Its not working.

Species are not programmed to advance. Then you go on to compound that basic misunderstanding.

Well I don't accept evolution anyway, so it's silly of me to get into an argument, but out of curiosity how do you know they're not programmed to advance?