How many dozens of Christians did creationism drive away this past hour?

[HitchSlap]

How many come back after a stint in the wilderness?



Is this the report talking now; or is this your opinion?

Welcome back AV. How was your time away?

 

[AV1611VET]

Welcome back AV. How was your time away?

--- LOL --- Touché!

 

[AV1611VET]

I think a better question would be the reason for leaving.

The reason for leaving doesn't matter, if they're just using it as an excuse and not the reason.

Luke 15:12 And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.
Luke 15:13 And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.

I wonder what excuse the prodigal son gave for leaving?

 

[Loudmouth]

We believe in Santa Claus because people we trust tell us that he exists. God is not Santa Claus and those trusted adults don't believe he exists either.

Doesn't change the fact that I really did believe in Santa Claus. You can go from true belief to disbelief.

 

[Loudmouth]

God is something that once you know He exists you are not going to un-know it.

Some people are saying that you can un-know it, Libby Anne for one. There are people who believed just as fervently as you do, and they did move to disbelief.

 

[bhsmte]

Some people are saying that you can un-know it, Libby Anne for one. There are people who believed just as fervently as you do, and they did move to disbelief.

Some will never accept this reality. It is like Kryptonite to them.

 

[RickG]

The reason for leaving doesn't matter, if they're just using it as an excuse and not the reason.

Luke 15:12 And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.
Luke 15:13 And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.

I wonder what excuse the prodigal son gave for leaving?

Also, as Hitchslap said, welcome back AV. I've been away for a while myself just returning a little over a week ago since the first of the year.

In my opinion I do think it matters why they left. For example, until I encountered YEC science I had no problem with any part of the bible. It is YEC science that has brought many parts of the bible in doubt for me, not my belief in God and Jesus as my Savior.

 

[Smidlee]

I wonder what are these stats for China are. At one time the MiddleEast were mostly Christians.
Jesus when told the truth many of his disciples stop following him. So the Truth itself will run people off.

 

[Loudmouth]

I wonder what are these stats for China are. At one time the MiddleEast were mostly Christians.
Jesus when told the truth many of his disciples stop following him. So the Truth itself will run people off.

If someone said that you were not muslim because the truth runs people off, what would be your response?

 

[AV1611VET]

Also, as Hitchslap said, welcome back AV.

Thank you very much, Rick.

I was placed on "administrative leave" for a week.

I've been away for a while myself just returning a little over a week ago since the first of the year.

Yes.

Your absence was felt.

In my opinion I do think it matters why they left.

1 person leaving every 10 seconds and you think you can vouch for why they left?

For example, until I encountered YEC science I had no problem with any part of the bible.

That's interesting in view of the fact that my pastor, who has a PhD in Theology and a DD in [something else] will admit even he has problems with parts of It.

It is YEC science that has brought many parts of the bible in doubt for me, not my belief in God and Jesus as my Savior.

You didn't leave though, did you?

 

[Smidlee]

If someone said that you were not muslim because the truth runs people off, what would be your response?

The truth is I'm not a Muslim.

 

[AV1611VET]

The truth is I'm not a Muslim.

Coulda fooled me.

-- Just kidding!

 

[Loudmouth]

The truth is I'm not a Muslim.

That was already assumed as part of the question.

If someone said that you were not muslim because the truth runs people off, what would be your response?

 

[HitchSlap]

Thank you very much, Rick.

I was placed on "administrative leave" for a week.

Been there. Done that.

 

[AV1611VET]

Been there. Done that.

Ya -- ain't no fun.

 

[dad]

Where in Genesis 1 does it say anthing about Adam or Eve?

Since all was finished by chapter two, that means it was Adam and Eve.



Ge 1:26 - And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Ge 1:27 -So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Who would be his cousins?

Any female that was born of Eve and later had more girl(s). Even if Adam was a dad of some. The rules of incest were not there till Moses.

You could be right. But there is no way of knowing is there?

That man was to breed with his kind is pretty well known. Once we start inserting imaginary races of non evolved thingies, we enter the strange la la land of surrealism that starts to infect the whole book.







Like I said you might be right. But I don't know which of us have it right or if either of us are.



Why would Cain fear for his life if he was going out among his kin?





Well I appreciate that. I was adding mine too.[/QUOTE]

 

[Smidlee]

Look who Jesus ran off :
Matthew 19: 16-22

19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

verse 16 - the man came to the right person and ask the right question
v 20 - the man kept the commandments dealing with man and Jesus didn't say otherwise.
yet in 22 - the man went away sorrowful.

Verse 21 which would be easier to do: To believe the earth is young or to sell everything you have and give to the poor and follow him? If Jesus told his followers in church to sell everything they have and give to the poor and follow him I wonder how many would leave the church?
Is there any church in America that would have ran this man off?

 

[Smidlee]

We believe in Santa Claus because people we trust tell us that he exists. God is not Santa Claus and those trusted adults don't believe he exists either.

I was told by my parents to believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. I was born a scientist as I tested put much everything. I ended up breaking most of my toys trying to figure out how they work. Mom told me not to touch a plug-in and I learn why and never forgot it. I remember testing the "Easter Bunny" theory by getting up early in the morning before my parents and seeing nothing in the living room. After they got up they told me to get up and see what the Easter Bunny bought me. I keep it to myself for a couple of years that I already knew SC didn't exist. I wasn't raised in church and there were only occasional mentioning of God in rare moments. I drove my mother crazy with my questions until finally she would reply " cause God made it that way." I thought OK. I already came to the conclusion there was a creator but didn't know anything about Him.

I got a radio for my 10th birthday and over time came across to BBN. I only learn enough to accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior as I kneel down under a tree in the back yard. There were two things I had no doubt: God and I was a sinner. I didn't know exactly what happen to me: it was as something shocked me like that time I was shocked playing with that plug-in. I never forgot it.

I told my sisters I became a Christian when they began to tell how to be religious .. you got to keep the ten commandments..etc. I didn't know what the ten commandments were and they wasn't sure themselves. I wanted to keep the commandments but I know myself well enough to know I couldn't keep them for my whole life no matter what they were so I told God He could have his salvation back ... maybe when I'm on my death bed I turn to Christ as I'd thought I had to put my trust in Christ. But something changed that I couldn't get away from it. Of course now I know God didn't forsake me and guided me along the way.

As I became a teenager I tried to get my parents to take me to church even though I've never been I had a hunger to go there. They always tell me "you don't have to go to church to be a Christian." I finally went to church when I got my driver licenses and I was so disappointed to learn the pastor of that church know the scripture less than I did. (Now that I'm wiser I have doubts he believed in God). I didn't go to church for a few more years until I got married and meet my wife's brother-in-law who was a Church of God pastor. He tried to convinced me that you can lose your salvation. He could quote scripture left and right but if there is one thing I learn it's God wasn't an Indian-giver. He told me Indian-giver not in scripture and finally give up told me you believe like those Baptist. (to him that wasn't a good thing) I didn't what anyone believed but I decided to go to a Baptist church and found out he's right, I do agree more with the Baptist. ( My Baptist preacher was loaded with Bible knowledge) I'm still going to that same Baptist church today because a Church of God pastor.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Doesn't change the fact that I really did believe in Santa Claus. You can go from true belief to disbelief.

Exactly...true belief. If Santa really was real and you knew he existed you would have known and not just believed. That is the point.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Since all was finished by chapter two, that means it was Adam and Eve.



Ge 1:26 - And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Ge 1:27 -So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.





Any female that was born of Eve and later had more girl(s). Even if Adam was a dad of some. The rules of incest were not there till Moses.





That man was to breed with his kind is pretty well known. Once we start inserting imaginary races of non evolved thingies, we enter the strange la la land of surrealism that starts to infect the whole book.







Like I said you might be right. But I don't know which of us have it right or if either of us are.



Why would Cain fear for his life if he was going out among his kin?





Well I appreciate that. I was adding mine too.

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I just happen to disagree. I totally understand your position and I don't claim I am right over you. I just don't see it in the same way as you do.