Elementary Penguin: Can Dogs Become Cats?

[AV1611VET]

You'd be surprised how many Creationists actually think that science is busily trying to prove that dogs can become cats.

I don't.

I think science is more concerned with other things.

Only unless they have to, will they do it.

Find rabbits in the Precambrian?

No problem.

Just make a couple program changes, recalibrate some equipment, rig a vote, and voilà, a new paradigm emerges.

Then all they have to do is change all the textbooks and sell them in the student bookstores for another $275.00.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I don't.

I think science is more concerned with other things.

Only unless they have to, will they do it.

Find rabbits in the Precambrian?

No problem.

Just make a couple program changes, recalibrate some equipment, rig a vote, and voilà, a new paradigm emerges.

Then all they have to do is change all the textbooks and sell them in the student bookstores for another $275.00.

No, science does not work that way, AV, and you know it. But I will comment on the people making pigs and mice glow with gene insertion is something I have always found odd.

 

[whois]

No, science does not work that way, AV, and you know it. But I will comment on the people making pigs and mice glow with gene insertion is something I have always found odd.

ah yes, leave it to the japanese to "invent" a green, glow in the dark, mouse.
and they did, i remember reading about that long ago.

 

[PsychoSarah]

ah yes, leave it to the japanese to "invent" a green, glow in the dark, mouse.
and they did, i remember reading about that long ago.

Pigs, mice, cats, rabbits, monkeys, dogs, fish, and many other things now have been made to glow through inserting a gene via virus.

 

[whois]

Pigs, mice, cats, rabbits, monkeys, dogs, fish, and many other things now have been made to glow through inserting a gene via virus.

i think the japanese used the genes from fluorescent algae, if i remember correctly.

 

[PsychoSarah]

i think the japanese used the genes from fluorescent algae, if i remember correctly.

jellyfish

 

[SkyWriting]

Elementary Penguin: Can dogs become cats?

It's unlikely that any well-established system
could naturally be stretched that far. But some
systems may have the flexibility designed into
them to cross over into new species as man
has chosen to defined them.

When we have mapped every implication of
every combination of DNA in all known environments
then the answer may be clearer.

 

[ViaCrucis]

i suppose this is a jab at me and especially in regard to my poll.
i guess i should have clarified "what were canines before they were canines?"
can anyone answer this?
seeing as we have the fossils and all.

A proto-canine. Something basal to the entire canine lineage. Which was a kind of canid which diverged from other canids (for example jackals, foxes, and tanukis). A basal canid diverged from other caniforms earlier, and thus a basal or proto-canid shared a lineage with other caniforms, the canids being most closely related to bears, but also related to the racoon family, mustelids (weasel family), and more distantly the pinnipeds (seals and walruses).

We can go back far enough back to reach a basal carnivoran that would be ancestral to both caniform and feliform groups, namely the miacids which appeared shortly after the K-T extinction event which wiped out, among many other animal groups, all non-avian dinosaurs.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Pigs, mice, cats, rabbits, monkeys, dogs, fish, and many other things now have been made to glow through inserting a gene via virus.

So H E L I X isn't too far a stretch.

I thought of mentioning the series, but am knee deep in work.

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

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[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Let me restate my question, based on a certain misconception:

Can DOGS become CATS?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Elementary Penguin: Can dogs become cats?

Not in a billion years. That's why they are still cats and dogs. That's why E coli are still E coli - despite a billion generations and billions of mutations.

They just can't overcome that variation limit. The exact reason real scientists have all but given up on it as a viable source for new species.

http://www.weloennig.de/Loennig-Long-Version-of-Law-of-Recurrent-Variation.pdf

And to comment on glowing mice - are we equating evolution with intentional directed manipulation now? And aren't those mice still, well - mice?