Paul fought the circumcision, Messianic Judaism.

[bugkiller]

but we are in the book of life!

God will also judge those who thought they were righteous by works too.

Mull that over.

Now that's a scary thought for anyone living by the law and not faith in and on Jesus.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

oh come on, it is done today for health reasons, or whatever, not for spiritual reasons

Yes and those health reasons were European trench warfare. IOW it was preparation for war because of a problem at that time.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

how do I go to temple? do i have to be a carpenter too, and eat kosher, and speak Hebrew?

You can't have a wife either.

bugkiller

 

[MoreCoffee]

I don't think that one's faith or one's character or one's moral rectitude will be what opens the gates of Heaven. The key to the gates of the city of God is Jesus Christ. If getting in is what matters then it is grace that will do it.

 

[Frogster]

You really want to argue over position in heaven. Now that's taking vanity to the max.

bugkiller

 

[Frogster]

You can't have a wife either.

bugkiller

True!

 

[MoreCoffee]

You can't have a wife either.

bugkiller

According to Revelation chapter fourteen only virgin males get to heaven.

 

[Frogster]

Now that's a scary thought for anyone living by the law and not faith in and on Jesus.

bugkiller

yup, many will come to the Lord and say..

"lord, did we not keep the law?", and the Lord will says "depart from me, you did not know grace!"

I don't mean this about anyone here on the forum, but it is a fact, sin is trusting in self righteousness, not God.

 

[listed]

According to Revelation chapter fourteen only virgin males get to heaven.

Then married people can not be saved. I have more fallacies.

 

[listed]

Naturally I hold my position because I think the Bible supports it and you hold your position because you think the Bible supports it, it just happens to be that you're wrong.

How much of your opinion is based on what others say? Please do not say none.

 

[listed]

The fact that I hold a minority position does concern me, but it is possible for the majority to be wrong about something, which appears to be the case in this regard.

Depends on what the position is.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Then married people can not be saved. I have more fallacies.

There is, among many christian groups, a pick & choose mentality towards holy scripture. The passage in Revelation to which I referred is this:

Revelation 14:1-5 And I saw, and behold, the Lamb was standing above mount Zion, and with him were one hundred and forty-four thousand, having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of a great thunder. And the voice that I heard was like that of singers, while playing on their stringed instruments. 3 And they were singing what seemed like a new canticle before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. And no one was able to recite the canticle, except those one hundred and forty-four thousand, who were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are Virgins. These follow the Lamb wherever he will go. These were redeemed from men as the first-fruits for God and for the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth, no lie was found, for they are without flaw before the throne of God.​

Read at face value it is only those who sing the song who are redeemed from the earth. Only those who are men who were not defiled with women. Only male virgins. But I do not think any group has embraced this passage as teaching a special status for the 144,000 except for Jehovah's witnesses and not many christians think favourably of their theology.

 

[SAAN]

yup, many will come to the Lord and say..

"lord, did we not keep the law?", and the Lord will says "depart from me, you did not know grace!"

I don't mean this about anyone here on the forum, but it is a fact, sin is trusting in self righteousness, not God.

Maybe in your bible, but the actual bible say the opposite.

Matthew 7:21-23 (NKJV)
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Sin is defined as lawlessness....ie breaking God's commands.

1 John 3:4 (NKJV)
4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.


God gives you grace to repent from your sins.

 

[MoreCoffee]

What's your view, SAAN, of Revelation 14:1-5?

 

[SAAN]

What's your view, SAAN, of Revelation 14:1-5?

Ive never really got that whole 144,000 thing, as many have some sort of different view on what it really means. Im pretty sure more than 144,000 will be saved during the tribulation.

WHat is your view on it?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Ive never really got that whole 144,000 thing, as many have some sort of different view on what it really means. Im pretty sure more than 144,000 will be saved during the tribulation.

WHat is your view on it?

The number appears to be symbolic rather than a population statistic for heaven.

 

[SAAN]

The number appears to be symbolic rather than a population statistic for heaven.

Agreed, yet some unnamed groups think that only 144,00 will be saved. Wont they be in for a surprise.

 

[Frogster]

Maybe in your bible, but the actual bible say the opposite.

Matthew 7:21-23 (NKJV)
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Sin is defined as lawlessness....ie breaking God's commands.

1 John 3:4 (NKJV)
4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.


God gives you grace to repent from your sins.

But he hates self righteousness, one is cut off if they are.



4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified[a] by the law; you have fallen away from grace.



Law breeds pride, i got text to prove it, if you want.

 

[Frogster]

In alot of MJ circles, gentiles are made to feel inferior to the Jew, it is really sad.

Some teach that God hears us better, if we pray in Hebrew, or learn Hebrew.

 

[Soyeong]

In alot of MJ circles, gentiles are made to feel inferior to the Jew, it is really sad.

Some teach that God hears us better, if we pray in Hebrew, or learn Hebrew.

It's a shame that that happens.