Why do you believe in the evolution theory? (2)

[Davian]

I am not surprised that you missed the point. Oh wait, wrong emoticon =>

No problem. I cannot begin to tell you how unconcerned I am about the unjust nature of something that, by every objective measure to date, does not exist. But, like Batman vs Superman, it can be fun to discuss.

Go back to sleep.

 

[dad]

Show your math.

Infinity. All Powerful. Eternal. Source of light. Creator of all things that have been , are and are to come.

 

[Booko]

They were not commandments, they were laws and they were for the Israelite's, not the Christians.

Honey, I don't know what Bible you read, but mine has the Ten Commandments right there in the Torah, and Christians seem to think they are still very much in force. For them. Often for everyone else too.

Even the New Testament has "commandments".

Seriously do you want me to core dump verses on you? I presume you have a concordance available the same as I do.

On a good day I'd call this explanation of yours sophistry. OK, it's been a good day...hey nice sophistry there.

The basic theme and teaching of the Bible will never change.

I don't expect it will, as certain things are universal.

But social laws and ordinances clearly have changed from the Tenach to the NT, even though some Christians seem to prefer to be in denial about it and take up pointless wordplay, even though it can be explained fairly easily. I can't say I understand why anyone would choose the wordplay instead.

 

[Booko]

And how does Collins reconcile his beliefs with science, and you cannot?

As a complete aside, I'll just say I'm delighted Francis Collins has managed to reconcile his beliefs with science, because if the Human Genome Project didn't exist, my daughter's future would look bleak indeed. My own would not be so great, come to think of it.

 

[Davian]

Show your math.

Infinity. All Powerful. Eternal. Source of light. Creator of all things that have been , are and are to come.

Do you know what math is?

 

[Davian]

As a complete aside, I'll just say I'm delighted Francis Collins has managed to reconcile his beliefs with science, because if the Human Genome Project didn't exist, my daughter's future would look bleak indeed. My own would not be so great, come to think of it.

I am happy to hear that.

 

[JacksBratt]

Originally Posted by Booko

God's Word apparently changes too, or Christians would be following 613 commandments in the Torah, and they claim they don't have to.
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Honey, I don't know what Bible you read, but mine has the Ten Commandments right there in the Torah, and Christians seem to think they are still very much in force. For them. Often for everyone else too.

Well, which is it? Ten or 613?

The NT also has Christ stating a new commandment to Love the Lord your God with all your heart soul and mind and love your neighbour as yourself. All the commandments hang on these two.

The 613 laws were for the Israelite people. They were not written in the stone tablet with God's own finger as the ten "commandments" were.

Good to see you are reading the bible though.

 

[JacksBratt]

Originally Posted by JacksBratt

The basic theme and teaching of the Bible will never change.
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Which theme are you referring to?

That would be:

God created man to worship and fellowship with Him
Man was given free will
Man sinned
God sent His Son to provide salvation from our sin
Jesus lived a sinless life and died for my sin, defeated death and rose from the dead.
If I believe in Him, I will be seen as sinless and spend eternity with God after my life on earth is done.

That is the basic theme of the Bible. Right from the start until the end.


You can go into some pretty deep theology and discussions. However, this is what it boils down to. The gospel is presented through both the old and new testaments.

 

[JacksBratt]

Originally Posted by JacksBratt

Your analogy doesn't point out that the ancient brochure has predicted things to happen and then they have happened as it predicted, in detail.
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And failed to happen, but we'll cherry pick as we please, won't we?

Just because it hasn't happened yet does not mean it isn't going to.

In fact, a lot of things predicted could not happen until technology advanced enough.

Case in point, the "witnesses" that are going stand in the street and rebuke the sinners in the tribulation are going to, eventually, be killed and their bodies will lie in the streets for three days. Then, they will come back to life and ascend to heaven.

The whole world will watch this at the same time. This was not possible until satellite communication was developed and now, the internet. This was not possible until technology advanced enough.

 

[sandybay]

The basic theme and teaching of the Bible will never change.
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That would be:

God created man to worship and fellowship with Him
Man was given free will
Man sinned
God sent His Son to provide salvation from our sin
Jesus lived a sinless life and died for my sin, defeated death and rose from the dead.
If I believe in Him, I will be seen as sinless and spend eternity with God after my life on earth is done.

That is the basic theme of the Bible. Right from the start until the end.

You can go into some pretty deep theology and discussions. However, this is what it boils down to. The gospel is presented through both the old and new testaments.

Can you give a reason why anyone would believe that?
Am I allowed to ask this? if not or it offends anyone then please don't answer.

 

[sandybay]

They were not written in the stone tablet with God's own finger as the ten "commandments" were.

This tells me that the Christian God is a product of men, they even gave their God human fingers.

 

[JacksBratt]

Can you give a reason why anyone would believe that?
Am I allowed to ask this? if not or it offends anyone then please don't answer.

Names Meaning 1. Adam Man - mankind 2. Seth appointed 3. Enosh mortal 4. Kenan - Chenan sorrow 5. Mahalalel the Blessed God 6. Jared - Yared shall come down - descends 7. Enoch teaching or dedicating, (commencement) 8. Methuselah his death shall bring 9. Lamech the despairing 10. Noah rest or comfort

Here is the names of the first 10 Patriarchs and their respective meanings.

Is it not interesting if not amazing that it spells out the gospel in simple steps:

Man appointed mortal ( we will die)
Sorrow ( a result of our sin)
The blessed God shall come down. ( Christ is God's son came to earth )
Teaching (Christs teaching)
His death shall bring the despairing (us) Comfort or rest.

 

[JacksBratt]

This tells me that the Christian God is a product of men, they even gave their God human fingers.

 

[Davian]

Which theme are you referring to?

"Christian atheism is a theological position in which the belief in the God of Christianity is rejected or absent but the moral teachings of Jesus are followed."

Christian atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The apostle Paul quotes a pantheist poem about Zeus in Acts 17:28, turning it into a panentheist statement about their "unknown God" when he quotes, "'In him we live and move and have our being' as some of your poets have said."

Panentheism is also a feature of some later Christian thought, particularly in mystical Orthodox Christianity, Catholic philosophy, and process theology. In order to avoid confusion with pantheism some panentheists now use the doublet "unitheism.""

Panentheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Then we have Francis Collins, evangelical Christian, and American physician-geneticist:

"Collins uncritically accepts and summarizes the standard big bang story (pp. 71–78),7 then discusses the Anthropic Principle"

Harmony and discord: A review of Francis Collins' book The Language of God

"As someone who's had the privilege of leading the human genome project, I've had the opportunity to study our own DNA instruction book at a level of detail that was never really possible before.

It's also now been possible to compare our DNA with that of many other species. The evidence supporting the idea that all living things are descended from a common ancestor is truly overwhelming.

I would not necessarily wish that to be so, as a Bible-believing Christian. But it is so. It does not serve faith well to try to deny that."

Scientist Francis Collins on evolution science faith religion genome gene language of God - Beliefnet.com


There there is you saying that most of mainstream science has to be wrong for your beliefs to be right.

I am glad I am only a spectator in all of this.

Originally Posted by JacksBratt

The basic theme and teaching of the Bible will never change.
​

That would be:

God created man to worship and fellowship with Him
Man was given free will
Man sinned
God sent His Son to provide salvation from our sin
Jesus lived a sinless life and died for my sin, defeated death and rose from the dead.
If I believe in Him, I will be seen as sinless and spend eternity with God after my life on earth is done.

That is the basic theme of the Bible. Right from the start until the end.


You can go into some pretty deep theology and discussions. However, this is what it boils down to. The gospel is presented through both the old and new testaments.

And, according to you, most of the mainstream scientific theories have to be wrong for your beliefs to be true.

You are pretty quick to throw Collins under the bus.

 

[Davian]

Originally Posted by JacksBratt

Your analogy doesn't point out that the ancient brochure has predicted things to happen and then they have happened as it predicted, in detail.
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Just because it hasn't happened yet does not mean it isn't going to.

"Even if it wasn't right in the past, it could be right in the future."

Sure. When can I order my invisible jet?

In fact, a lot of things predicted could not happen until technology advanced enough.

Case in point, the "witnesses" that are going stand in the street and rebuke the sinners in the tribulation are going to, eventually, be killed and their bodies will lie in the streets for three days. Then, they will come back to life and ascend to heaven.

The whole world will watch this at the same time. This was not possible until satellite communication was developed and now, the internet. This was not possible until technology advanced enough.

Got a date for this, Mr. Camping? Or is it always going to be just a ways off into the future?

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

This tells me that the Christian God is a product of men, they even gave their God human fingers.

6 There are six things the Lord hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
19 a false witness who pours out lies
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.

 

[dad]

Do you know what math is?

Thought you had some that covered God?

 

[Davian]

Thought you had some that covered God?

You were the one asked to show your math, and you failed to do so.

 

[JacksBratt]

"Even if it wasn't right in the past, it could be right in the future."

Sure. When can I order my invisible jet?

Got a date for this, Mr. Camping? Or is it always going to be just a ways off into the future?

Date setting is forbidden.

Matthew 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. Mark 13:32 is an exact parallel.

Matthew 24:42 "Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming.



Matthew 24:44 "For this reason you be ready too; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will.


Acts 1:7 He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority;



1 Thessalonians 5:1-2 Now as to the times and the epochs, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you. For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night.

 

[Davian]

Date setting is forbidden.

Matthew 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. Mark 13:32 is an exact parallel.

Matthew 24:42 "Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming.



Matthew 24:44 "For this reason you be ready too; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will.


Acts 1:7 He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority;



1 Thessalonians 5:1-2 Now as to the times and the epochs, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you. For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night.

I see nothing in there about giving us a month, or a year. Got anything? Or are you just going to continue with the fear-mongering "it'll be soon" line, with nothing to substantiate it beyond your anti-science rhetoric?